Quotemerlin 1. You have a contract that makes you the richest defender in the league by a good margin and sets your security for the remainder of your life. OR 2. You can sit out, lose 10 weeks worth of game checks, lose a year towards free agency. 3. You can report to camp on time to not lose that year, but look forward to two more years thereafter with the franchise tag and playing withoby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram I have gotten the same impression. I hope it says more about the offense than the defense!! My guess is that it does say more about the offense. I have a lot of faith in Wade and am pretty sure that he's going to have this defense humming. And I'm also certain that our CB's - specifically Talib, Peters, and NRC - are very good. They have an established track record. All of tby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax QuoteznSo yes with Cooks it's a 2nd contract, not a re-write of the first. The first expires after this year and to balance not erasing the first, they put huge pay-outs in place for 2019 and 2020, with again a lot of that guaranteed. ... Thats what I am saying. Do you think Donald will agree to stay on his $6.89M this year and take $24M for the next 4? I don't. But thats anby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSpeed_Kills I wonder though.... your guys are Cooks, Woods, and Kupp. So they are going to take those guys out and put in Thomas, Cooper, and or Reynolds for the redzone? Like I said earlier this week.... sometimes I feel like the Rams have too many weapons/options Reynolds has size and knows how to use his body to provide a physical presence. He'd be useful in the RZ. I think people arby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams Quotebigjimram21 They could very easily put a price on what he means in the overall scheme of the team and their cap. Could he be worth more, even millions more to another team other than the Rams, sure. I'm not trying to argue over his worth as the best defender, It does seem that Demoff bringing up the other players down the road is interesting though. I don't expectby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- QuoteAtlantic Ram Donald holds THE only card that matters... himself. All the other cards, hammers, levers etc. are useless if he decides not to play. And why would he? Who is advocating that he risk potentially $100 million for $7 million? $7 million is a lot of money but $93 million is more... its like from the earth to the sun more. I would sit out. I don't understand the reby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotebigjimram21 They could very easily put a price on what he means in the overall scheme of the team and their cap. Could he be worth more, even millions more to another team other than the Rams, sure. I'm not trying to argue over his worth as the best defender, It does seem that Demoff bringing up the other players down the road is interesting though. I don't expect this to be over anytimeby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteramBRO Aaron Donald's holdout undermines the Rams' incredible potential By Dylan Hernandez Aug 01, 2018 | 9:15 PM Rewarding him with a long-term contract after a prolonged holdout this season would set a bad precedent, as it would signal to players that the most effective method of extracting a desirable contract from the organization is to withhold their services.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- QuoteAtlantic Ram "we disagree with AD's value" To me some of what Demoff said sounds he is setting the table for a deal not getting done, especially when talking about upcoming contracts, etc. I hope by some miracle Donald plays this season... after that I don't know. But I have no idea why he would without an extension. I know I wouldn't and I would absolutely leavby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn JB Long on 1090 (linked below). In reference to Donald, Long says at 3:16 in that "I can say with some authority that some of the numbers you may have encountered publicly are not predicated on any fact....they're kind of just pure speculation....I can take from that that what we know about the ongoing negotiation is still very very limited ...the more private these conversationsby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 It pleases me to read that they’re emphasizing dime sets in practice since I predicted it in a thread a while ago. Just makes sense if our coaches anticipate playing with leads often this year. Shields just might be a big part of this passing D this year. I don't think the coaches are emphasizing dime sets only because they anticipate playing with leads, I believe they're also doby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSteve AD might be the best D lineman in the last 40 years (haven't studied Watt)--no one else is close. If AD is a 10, Warren Sapp might be an 8.5 at best,and he is a HOFer. And, we all want what is 'due'. What is Donald due? I am convinced that no one knows, not even AD. When we look back we will know. I think $23 is more than fair; if AD wants $25 because he wants QB range, then I haveby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 I draft Tye Hill or Sam Bradford or Greg Robison and pay them a lot and they don't perform. I ask for my money back.....oh yeah, doesn't work that way. and your example of real world is ridiculous: So I scrimp and save take some risks and open a coffee shop....let's say I even buy a starbucks franchise. I have an employee who is really good and sells a lot of coffee and bby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 unfortunately....that's not how it works in the real world If your boss doesn't share the wealth and you vastly over perform, you leave your boss, and get a job on the open market from another employer who appreciates you. That's how the real world works. AD doesn't have that option. The CBA isn't anything like the real world. This isn't even apples and oranges. This is appby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 many first rounders are busts and/or don't live up to their potential yet they are paid on their potential What happens to busts though? They get cut! Seattle just cut their 2nd round pick from 2017. That's one year. It doesn't hurt Seattle much either. They eat a little signing bonus in the salary cap and they're done. When player is unexpectedly bad, Seattle takes a littlby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam I also may be in the minority that the key to the Rams' winning is not AD. He is a great player; but he doesn't win games single handed. There are a number of players on the Rams more important that he is beginning with Goff. Sure a right minded and committed AD makes the defense better. I'm very doubtful that either of those conditions exist any longer in him. In the short term, iby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 they other side comes back with a reasonable offer and it is easy to say, "just split the difference" and they get higher than what was proposed They did that with our health benefits at work: Side 1: No more benefits for families just employee (yikes) Side 2: We just wanted lower premiums and better coverage Side 1: OK we will keep family benefits, buby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 If players can demand a new contract if they are underpaid for their performance, owners should be able to do the same for first round busts or free agents who sign megadeals and underperform. The owners rewriting contracts when players under perform is not really necessary to keep a semblance of fairness between players and owners because the CBA is already strongly tilted inby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteEkern55 Again, it's huge that Donald did not accrue his year towards unrestricted free agency. You agree or disagree? If Donald reports by Aug. 7, he will be an UFA. There would be no mistake by the agent because he only needs 4 accrued seasons. But if he doesn't report by that deadline then he wouldn't become a UFA and at first glance that does appear to be a mistake. I say firstby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar As has been stated before, the players that have demanded trades have ALL been under contract and easy to trade. Also they all had team issues not related to contracts and the teams were ready to part with them anyway. We've been over this... ZERO of the cases involved a blockbuster trade combined with a contract reset like AD is trying to do. ZERO. The actual correct comparison isby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
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QuoteSpeedball89 QuoteNo. In fact, by not reporting 30 days before the start of the regular season, Donald even lost an accrued season toward free agency. So even though he has played four seasons, the league only credits him with three. Which means if he were to hold out for an extensive period again, he’d be a restricted free agent next year, rather than unrestricted. Is this correct?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Let me be clear. AD is a tremendous asset and is a big part of the Ram success last year. But we definitely disagree about his relative impact on wins and losses compared to a starting QB. Even mediocre QB’s affect games in terms of W/L more than a DL player possibly could. Note, this could be on either a win or a loss. We are talking “impact” here, aren’t wby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Let me be clear. AD is a tremendous asset and is a big part of the Ram success last year. But we definitely disagree about his relative impact on wins and losses compared to a starting QB. Even mediocre QB’s affect games in terms of W/L more than a DL player possibly could. Note, this could be on either a win or a loss. We are talking “impact” here, aren’t we? IMO, of course.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam The question is narrow because the issue is narrow. Over and over GMs and reliable sports media get it right: Donald has NO leverage at all. The CBA is the Rams' friend, and Donald's enemy. The ONLY thing Donald can do is hold out. But the Rams signing Suh takes the sting out of protracted hold out. But if Donald holds out beyond Aug. 8 all it does is cost Donald. Rams aby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Just to be clear, dz... Are you saying that AD impacts a team’s winning as much as a starting QB? Do I have that right? I'm saying that AD impacts a team's winning as much as some starting QBs. Absolutely! To be honest, some starting QBs impact their team in negative ways. I've stated this before and got no responses: "This may be blasphemous, but I think AD's impaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam So at the moment, I've heard not one example since the new CBA of a generational talent, under contract, in his prime, demanding a trade and being traded. So if I said, in answer to your question, that there has been no generational talent in his prime who has demanded a trade under the new CBA, thus the number is zero, what would you take from that? I can't think of one. Whaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam The current CBA changed things. So any comparison to pre-new CBA isn't apples to apples. Since the new CBA, I'm unaware of a Superstar player, under his 1st contract, demanding a trade and that trade being facilitated. What drastic changes happened in the CBA to no longer make it a fair comparison? Any specifics? As far as I know, the new CBA increased the stature and cloutby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 or Peters or anybody else I love AD and first four years have been awesome, but we dont know how he will be down the line will he get hurt like JJ Watt, will he slow down after a few years....will he be the best in the history of the game? Agree on not knowing the future. That's why I said if he doesn't get derailed. But the point of the comparison was, neither of thoby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Perhaps it is you that is missing the actual argument, zn? No one is denying AD’s talent. We all agree that he’s a fabulous DL player. I think we all also agree that he doesn’t impact a game result like a starting QB does, and thus shouldn’t be compensated in that range. Note that I said “starting QB”, not an elite QB, btw. The discussions are currently about just how much isby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com