Quoteferragamo79 at the time they were considered top defensive players- especially Haynesworth. After both were paid huge contracts, they fizzled out. Yes, they were both very good defensive players. But IMO there is a clear distinction between top defensive player of the day and a once in a lifetime, generational player who most already say is a future HOF'er after only 4 seasons unlessby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteCeeZar Yes. He was worth it to the Packers. Was Sean Gilbert worth it to the Panthers? Was Albert Haynesworth worth it to the Redskins? Was Suh worth it to the Dolphins? I think your logic is off. 1. Reggie White and AD are great players. Gilbert and Haynesworth aren't. In fact RW and AD are everything SG and AH weren't. Agreed. Gilbert and Haynesworth are non-starby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotewv ram Quotezn QuoteDavid Deacon If they can't get a deal done it is all about AD agent wanting to not just set a record but destroy a record of earnings. These are the same guy that held Bosa out over a rookie deal. They can get a deal done even if at this point the Rams are offering too little given the real parameters. They just need to meet at 23/24 M which a lot of people are saby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax In 2015, Suh got a then monster contract as a FA that put him #11 in average salary behind 10 QBs In 2016, Miller got an extension that put him #16 in average salary, behind Suh and 14 QBs. In 2018, the 10th highest average salary is $22M, all QBs in the top 10. If Donald got $23M that would put him 9th overall. That sounds like a very fair deal. I think most of us, includinby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- "Third, I doubt the offer was anywhere close to $20M. When teams offer early extensions, they're not giving gigantic raises over the amount they could control the player than if the player played out their contract plus the franchise years. Gurley is a perfect example. The Rams could have controlled him for the next 4 years - '18 - '19 contract plus 2 franchise tag years - atby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotedzrams I doubt the offer was anywhere close to $20M. When teams offer early extensions, they're not giving gigantic raises over the amount they could control the player than if the player played out their contract plus the franchise years. Gurley is a perfect example. The Rams could have controlled him for the next 4 years - '18 - '19 contract plus 2 franchise tagby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram 1.) AD really was paid just $1.8M last year. He counted $3.2M against the cap for accounting purposes only. The entire signing bonus was paid day 1 but is is spread across the length of the contract as a paper exercise. 2.) The Rams can extend AD without affecting this year's cap. Here's one way to do it: They can sign him to a 5-year contract with a $29.5M signing bonus andby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams I doubt the offer was anywhere close to $20M. When teams offer early extensions, they're not giving gigantic raises over the amount they could control the player than if the player played out their contract plus the franchise years. Gurley is a perfect example. The Rams could have controlled him for the next 4 years - '18 - '19 contract plus 2 franchise tag years - at an averaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSaguaro I wasn't sure how to count the original signing bonus money in the equation. And I'm still not sure. Yes, it counts against the cap in 2017, but Donald already pocketed that money back when. So I'm focused on the difference he would have seen on a per year basis by signing vs. not signing. You're saying that it was an extension that was worth far less than 20M last year, buby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
And on Cutler, if a non-superstar can demand a trade and get it, how much more could a superstar force his way out? Your distinction on Cutler hurts your position.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBarryRams Well said, the difficulty is building and maintaining a dynasty. I haven't seen the Patriots breaking the bank on a yearly basis, and no one calls them cheap. How many teams can you count that have a historically great QB and HC? I'll give you some time... Once you have your number, there's the amount of teams that can realistically follow the Pats model of not breaking the bby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam Despite the hype, no one player elevates an entire team. The exception might be for a generational QB like Brady. And I absolutely do not think that DTs elevate their entire team. Nevertheless, there is an upper limit as to how much can be allocated to a single player. There's only so many dollars to go around in a hard cap situation when you have 53 players that must be paidby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSaguaro Correct me on the numbers, I mean! Not correct my thinking, lol. We've had enough of that. I looked up Aaron Donald's current contract at this link In 2017 his base salary was $1,802,250. This year his base salary is $6,892,000. So here's what's making me scratch my head - In particular, regarding the idea that Donald may just sit out this year if he doesn't get theby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotejemach I think it's wrong to say the Rams hold all the cards. Donald does have options...and if sitting and demanding a trade is one of them, it's a major trump card on the Rams hand. To be effective, AD’s threat to sit and demand a trade must be credible, je. The reasons that it isn’t credible have already been well covered in many other posts. I agree with je. I've neby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotejemach Florio knows less about the situation than people here on the board. Basically just telling it like it is...Rams hold all the cards..... I have yet to see one report that says Donald has ANY leverage in this besides withholding his services while not getting paid. We all saw how long that lasted last year.... I still say a deal will be done by August 7th andby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit QuoteRampage2K- Wouldn't be shocked if he did after he signs his record deal:noway The good thing is that a player can not do this if he is a scrub. He has to way outperform his contract. In that way the team wins too. All this talk about precedence is nonsense. When you're a bona fide ultra elite player, exceptions are made. Know why? Because the team needs em.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam There's an old country saying that applies: that guy is just getting too big for his briches. The moral is that those guys always get taken down a peg or two. Your little moral is nice wishful thinking but it's incorrect. Julio Jones just threatened not to play in the middle of his contract and the Falcons just adjusted his salary up. Bona fide super stars win quiteby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I've been away for a few days and just trying to get caught up. I heard the offer was at $21M per year but I haven't seen anything on the guaranteed amount. Where was it reported that the guaranteed offer is in the $70-80M range? Could haggling over the guaranteed amount be the holdup?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSpeed_Kills Although you just don’t know with Donald If I’m being honest ... I feel like if they could trade him for a block buster deal then do it. He’s an extraordinary talent best d player in the game but ... I honestly fail to see the benefits of trading the best defensive player in the game. What are they? I get the concern of paying too much but besides that, anything?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax It’s called what the market will bear, and no one knows if the market will bear $25M at this time. Not even you, no matter how much you push your position. If Donald signs for less than $25M, as I expect he will. That’s what the market will bear, not $25M. I bet his agent's already had whispers in his ear about what amount is potentially out there.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I doubt at that salary they'll be able to extract more than one first round pick.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
The Rams will have the choice to match but they have to match whatever offer he gets in its exact structure. A team could structure it in a way - aka a poison pill - that the Rams salary cap couldn't absorb. And even if the offer had no poisen pill and they were able to match, it's now another team controlling how their salary cap setup. That could throw their cap strategy and affect the rby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteThe Professor We have or will have a lot of future money tied up in QB, RB (where most teams do not), WR, D line, and in the dbacks. Somewhere has to give. It is clearly LBs on the defense but it looks like the oline will also get short shrift. Next year we are scheduled to have an older LT on his last contract year and an older C on his last contract year. We drafted replacements this yearby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRam_Ruler ...I'd rather have a balanced team than a completely top heavy one. But I dunno the cap details I get the sentiment to be balanced. Ideally, I'd like a balanced team AND to keep my stars. But in the real world a choice may be necessary. Speaking of the real world... there's a well established principle, a universal law called the Pareto principle. Otherwise known as the 80/20by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamsdude .... I wish I could hold out from job to get a raise! IMO, I out perform what I am being paid all the time!! Quote People with normal jobs do this all the time already. It's called go find someone else who's willing to pay you more. See you have that freedom. Jones doesn't. He's bound by a CBA that restricts his freedom. You're probably right though, short contracts as the noby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn I think it's absolutely clear and obvious that VB's speculations and rumors are tilted around the management perspective. No offense, but to be completely honest about it, I am not sure why or how you miss that. Exactly. There's only two sources of information: Rams or AD's camp. Unless one thinks that AD is going to leak reports that put him in a bad light, the information necessarby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams QuoteRampage2K- Quotezn Quotedzrams QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams QuoteRampage2K- At the end of the show today on NFL Live, Jeff Darlington threw his challenge flag at AD. To surmise, he Says AD needs to sit back and really think twice about the "very very lucrative" offer the Rams have on the table. The narrative will soon change and the fans will turn. Iby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com