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They could very easily put a price on what he means in the overall scheme of the team and their cap. Could he be worth more, even millions more to another team other than the Rams, sure. I'm not trying to argue over his worth as the best defender, It does seem that Demoff bringing up the other players down the road is interesting though.
I don't expect this to be over anytime soon. And it wasn't me that said they don't agree on his value, it was the Rams.
I agree with zn on this. If he really is worth millions more to another team, they need to be decisive and trade him.
I think the Pats are a good model in this regard. They can't pay Cooks what WRs make? Get your first round draft pick and move on. They don't wanna pay Chandler Jones what the market says he's worth? Then be decisive, trade him and keep moving.
If they really are trying to get him to sign for millions less than his market value, then they are the problem here. It's a good first attempt but once you hit an impasse, you have to adjust.
In regard to the other players Demoff mentioned, ideally everyone is retained but I don't think that's realistic. And I'm concerned if the reason you can't sign your transcendent talent is because of your desire to retain your average - some say below average - guard in Brown.
Isn’t his “market value” determined by what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller, dz?
Rather than what beat writers and fans decide, that is?
I think Demoff’s drop dead number is somewhere between $20-22 million. Just my guess based upon reading tea leaves from his interview the other day. But the larger point is that there is a number beyond which Demoff will not go. And that number is currently south of AD and his pos agent’s number.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again here, anyway. Rams have the overwhelming leverage advantage and they know it. And, if necessary, they will use it to teach AD and his agent a harsh and public lesson in the power of said leverage. Time is on Rams side and ball is in AD’s court.
Sorry.
He would need to be an UFA to know for certain what market value is so let me rephrase.
If the Rams know they won't go above $20-22M, and that he won't settle for less than $25M, then I think the best move is to trade him unless they think he would play under the franchise tag. In his position, I wouldn't play under the tag and I'm pretty sure his agent would instruct him not to.
If he doesn't, they seem to be far apart and at an impasse that may not be able to be bridged.
This is when it's smart IMO to take a page out of NE's book.
Skip the franchise tag stuff, skip the hold outs, skip all the bad blood, skip all the team distractions and potential threats to locker room culture and winning. (This last reason was covered in the article here:
Aaron Donald's holdout undermines the Rams' incredible potential ) Trade him and move on.
If they play hardball like you want, the best case scenario is you teach him this harsh lesson, you get him to kneel at the alter of the Rams and kiss the ring as he comes back but you engender a lot of bad blood. That will hurt the team in the long run.
There is a reason why teams rarely play the hardball advocated here such as tagging a player three years in a row, or refusing to trade a player who wants out, or making the player pay all of the fines they rack up. "It creates bad blood." (That's a quote from an agent but I'll have to find the link later....)
And it sends a message to all of the other players and agents in the league that you are a difficult team to work with and can be petty. There's a chance that, all things being equal in money offered, agents can direct their vet free agents and UDFAs to other teams who don't have that rep. I think the Pats have the model they do to avoid all of this.
P.S. I think AD and his agent always knew they would lose the PR battle. Players
never win that battle since fans side with management as a general rule. But who cares? Does that lose him money in some way?
