QuoteRams43 Quotezn QuoteSpeed_Kills Although it is true that Wade has traditionally valued edge rushers I don’t like that AD is allowing himself to be used to reset the market Is it "re-setting"? In 2015 Suh's contract was 86% of the top qb's contract. In 2016 it was similar with Von Miller. In 2018, Von Miller's older deal, the highest for a defender, comes in at 63% oby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 I have a logical question... If AD is such an All World talent, a certain future HOFer, a player that takes over games defensively, a generational talent, and on and on as some have claimed... Then will somebody please tell me why he wouldn’t fetch two 1sts in a trade? Heck, maybe a player or two, as well. I agree with the assessment of his talent, btwby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams I've seen some suggestions in other locations that Donald could probably successfully argue that he's a DE now if the Rams tried to tag him as a DT. His pass rushing production would back that position. Hey that's not an NM post. You ride under a false flag. But. I don't know what the tag value for DEs will be in 2019, but right now it's 17 M. I don';t know hby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotemax Well, Rams will have to pay Mack more than they are offering Donald. And it will either kill their CAP or the CAP argument was BS. Agree that they will have to pay Mack a kings ransom, max. But how much, do you think? Anyone? If Wade values Mack more, doesn't that imply that Mack would cost MORE to sign? So a guess... $25M.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
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QuoteRams43 I have a logical question... If AD is such an All World talent, a certain future HOFer, a player that takes over games defensively, a generational talent, and on and on as some have claimed... Then will somebody please tell me why he wouldn’t fetch two 1sts in a trade? Heck, maybe a player or two, as well. I agree with the assessment of his talent, btw. I recently had a verby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuotedzramsWhile the Rams will have final say on trade destinations and compensation, if they can't afford to keep a tagged AD and Suh on the books, they lose leverage.. They didn;t with Tru, remember. Saints offered a 2nd rounder for Tru and all he had to do was say no, I will not sign an extension with them. That means the Saints faced trading for a 1-year so they nixed the deal. Donaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRockRam We've been down this road before. On the one hand you state that his market value is sky high, and could reasonably be beyond best Defensive player, because he is a generational talent and has no peer. Then you turn around and lump him in with generic "starters". Every team has at least 25 starters. Does every team have 2by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is notby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRockRam We've been down this road before. On the one hand you state that his market value is sky high, and could reasonably be beyond best Defensive player, because he is a generational talent and has no peer. Then you turn around and lump him in with generic "starters". Every team has at least 25 starters. Does every team have 25 Aaron Donalds? ONE AD?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Quotedzrams Quotemax Quotedzrams Quotemax I don't look at it as who is the problem. I look at it as what will be the outcome and why. One outcome is that Donald ends up with another team, another outcome is he stays with the Rams. So how do we get to these outcomes? A. In order for Donald to end up with another team he will have to: 1. sit out the entire year and not get pby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. Alby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Quotedzrams Quotemax I don't look at it as who is the problem. I look at it as what will be the outcome and why. One outcome is that Donald ends up with another team, another outcome is he stays with the Rams. So how do we get to these outcomes? A. In order for Donald to end up with another team he will have to: 1. sit out the entire year and not get paid his 7M. 2. then fby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. All other positions have gby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam We've been down this road before. On the one hand you state that his market value is sky high, and could reasonably be beyond best Defensive player, because he is a generational talent and has no peer. Then you turn around and lump him in with generic "starters". Every team has at least 25 starters. Does every team have 25 Aaron Donalds? ONE AD? Decide which it isby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. All other positions have gone up by a far higher pby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- I've heard that the Rams get the money credited back to the cap in 2020 if Donald refuses to play under the franchise tag next year in 2019 So do we get the money credited back next year if he sits out this year too??? More leverage for the team if so.....and more money to help sign Peters next year:bravoby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. All other positions have gone up by a far higher percentage siby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSpeed_Kills Are you ready to go there? Get a nice edge rusher or two and a boat load of picks You know the Skins and Cowboys would do it for Donald And since I was one of the first to bring up the idea that he might be traded, let me be the first to suggest that the Rams might not get a boat load of picks. They will likely get less compensation than everyone is assuming.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax I don't look at it as who is the problem. I look at it as what will be the outcome and why. One outcome is that Donald ends up with another team, another outcome is he stays with the Rams. So how do we get to these outcomes? A. In order for Donald to end up with another team he will have to: 1. sit out the entire year and not get paid his 7M. 2. then force a trade next yeaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteno name If the Rams are to truly take AD at his word then Hankins would be a nice alternative. You have to replace AD with someone and Hankins is a disrupter. It tells AD to anti up or fold. Problem #1 - the Rams have no money. They are tight against the salary cap this year. Next, if Hankins is such a nice alternative and such a disrupter, why is he unemployed right now? Maybe the NFLby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams Quoteno name Just bring Hankins in for a visit. See how he likes that feeling? I have no idea how he would take it, but if I were him, I'd laugh and laugh. :ROTF Your bluff has to at least be credible. Hankins and AD aren't in the same universe of what they provide. Besides, the Rams don't need it anyway. Suh is the best substitute in the league for AD. Yup. Suhby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 While we don’t know exact numbers, we do know at least 2 things. The Rams quickly extended both Cooks and Gurley to VERY fair contracts without fanfare. Emphasis quickly. And we know that the Rams have repeatedly publicly stated that they want to make AD the highest paid defender in league history. That means a minimum of $20 million per, (and I suspectby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteno name Just bring Hankins in for a visit. See how he likes that feeling? I have no idea how he would take it, but if I were him, I'd laugh and laugh. :ROTF Your bluff has to at least be credible. Hankins and AD aren't in the same universe of what they provide. Besides, the Rams don't need it anyway. Suh is the best substitute in the league for AD.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I don't know... Just as I don't know if his sitting out will make the Rams cave, I also don't know if AD has the wherewithal, guts, and stamina to actually sit out an entire season. But theoretically speaking, IF he sat out, that would put tremendous pressure on the Rams.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quote73Ram QuotedzramsDo we know that there is an offer to make him the richest defender in the league by a good margin? I think we don't know that. For all we know, it's a deal that pays him $1 more than what Von Miller got years ago. What about option 4: refuse to play again without a new deal? Would the Rams tag him, sit on that $15M and get nothing for their investment? Or would they tradby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 While we don’t know exact numbers, we do know at least 2 things. The Rams quickly extended both Cooks and Gurley to VERY fair contracts without fanfare. Emphasis quickly. And we know that the Rams have repeatedly publicly stated that they want to make AD the highest paid defender in league history. That means a minimum of $20 million per, (and I suspect that their offer is higby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 if he sits: 1. he missed $8 million dollar salary 2. He gets older 3. loses a year on his quest to be UFA 4. probably gets fined for missing games - sure they will be alleviated if he signs, but loses more leverage can be tagged and either has to play for less money or if he sits, loses out on another $15 or so million, while again getting older Rams can roll thatby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com