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it's always a complex and emotional thng...

July 14, 2021 04:41AM
You're probably right. I grew up an LA Rams fan from the late '70s. They were one of the iconic brands of the league then. The 1970s NFL was the Steelers, Dolphins and Raiders in the AFC and the Cowboys, Vikings and Rams in the NFC- and then everyone else...

Then I lived in LA during their final 6 seasons there (1989-'94) and got to go to games in person. I saw how Georgia was deliberately dismantling the team their last two years to get to leave. She looked directly into a local sports news camera and said, "St. Louis is where we want to be." It was sad. When the move was finally announced I thought the league would block it- they didn't. I swore off the Rams and said I was going to be a Chargers fan. That lasted about a week or two.

So there they were, playing in their home uniforms in....Busch Stadium?... What?! But it was what it was. They had full stadiums again and eventually success. When they won the Super Bowl I was as happy as I would have been if it were in LA (I'd left California myself a year before).

My wife and I came to St. Louis for a game in 2003 (my only time there). It was a great, fun weekend. Everyone was so welcoming. I remember leaving feeling even more at peace that the team was well-supported there. The tailgating environment before the game was something that never existed in Anaheim.

But then, the shine wore off. A bland, frankly poorly designed stadium was no longer masked by having super loud crowds and dome field advantage. By the early/mid-2010s what WAS the team's brand? A bland, mediocre at best team playing in front of 60% capacity crowds that used to be the GSOT.

When the whispers of relocation started I was honestly pretty ambivalent. I knew what St. Louis could (but wasn't at the time) do to support the team and a new, riverfront stadium could be a huge boost. If that happened, great. If they DID go back to LA, wow, how cool would that be.. I felt I couldn't lose in the deal.

But I'll admit, that January 2016 announcement made me pretty excited. The return of the LA Rams was something honestly that was good for the league as a whole. And not just financially. But yeah, financially too. And why wouldn't the league put their thumb on the scale of returning to CA? To Super Bowls in LA again. The Draft. The best stadium in the league. THAT brand returning. And going from a declining tv market to the 2nd biggest in the country.

It was not dissimilar from the Cleveland Browns returning in 1999. The league needed that team to exist.

It's an emotional thing for all involved- whether you're in the receiving end positively or negatively. When teams relocate it's never nice and neat. No handshakes and smiles of "thank you, we appreciate it, but time to move on." It's the Baltimore Colts moving trucks in the middle of the night. It's the Browns suddenly just non-existent. The Oilers abandoning the Astrodome. Etc. And let's be honest, a move of that magnitude wasn't going to come to fruition 3-4 months before that January 2016 announcement. Of course the wheels started turning several years before. And had they been forward in saying that it probably would have hurt their bargaining positions and resulted in 30% capacity home crowds their final 3 years.

Whatever people think of Kroenke is fine- though I think it's all pure conjecture. Who knows what he's like. Yeah, as a billionaire businessman maybe he comes off aloof or cold to some. Georgia was, well, nuts after all... But buying that land at Hollywood Park was, well, genius. As someone that lived in LA near that area for a decade that is the PERFECT place to have a stadium in metro Los Angeles. When the Lakers moved downtown from the Forum and it seemed inevitable Hollywood Park was going to close I said to friends "that would be a great spot for a new stadium..." Guess I should have been in real estate.

Anyway, I get the emotions on all sides. But I also don't see Kroenke and Demoff as these evil, robber baron villains at all.

Just my opinion.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2021 04:48AM by LMU93.
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  And you wonder why St. Louis hates the Rams at thjs level. . .

RAMbeau1334July 13, 2021 04:44AM

  Re: And you wonder why St. Louis hates the Rams at thjs level. . .

sstrams447July 13, 2021 05:07AM

  When the NFL shut down Shad Khan from buying the Rams, I told my Son...They're gone!

Ramgator394July 13, 2021 05:12AM

  Re: When the NFL shut down Shad Khan from buying the Rams, I told my Son...They're gone!

Ramsdude275July 13, 2021 06:06AM

  Re: When the NFL shut down Shad Khan from buying the Rams, I told my Son...They're gone!

AlbaNY_Ram482July 13, 2021 07:39AM

  Re: When the NFL shut down Shad Khan from buying the Rams, I told my Son...They're gone!

RAMbler260July 13, 2021 07:46AM

  Re: When the NFL shut down Shad Khan from buying the Rams, I told my Son...They're gone!

AlbaNY_Ram252July 13, 2021 08:28AM

  Re: When the NFL shut down Shad Khan from buying the Rams, I told my Son...They're gone!

zn583July 15, 2021 03:42AM

  So.... you seriously think that every Billionaire isn't "all about the money"?

RockRam482July 13, 2021 08:39AM

  Re: So.... you seriously think that every Billionaire isn't "all about the money"?

MamaRAMa655July 13, 2021 09:30AM

  Well, if the point is hurt feelings, I get it.

RockRam422July 13, 2021 10:07AM

  Re: Well, if the point is hurt feelings, I get it.

MamaRAMa722July 13, 2021 10:17AM

  Actually, I think you and Rock are saying the same thing

waterfield361July 13, 2021 03:52PM

  Yep. Exactly.

RockRam430July 14, 2021 02:18AM

  Well, I wouldn't exactly

waterfield657July 14, 2021 06:42AM

  yeah it;s easy enough to get

zn166July 15, 2021 04:09AM

  it's how I saw it too.....

SunTzu_vs_Camus260July 16, 2021 05:54AM

  Re: it's how I saw it too.....

zn175July 17, 2021 12:39PM

  and that's not always true either

zn406July 15, 2021 04:20AM

  Re: and that's not always true either

MamaRAMa184July 15, 2021 04:29AM

  "The way it is".. That's the point.

Ramgator210July 13, 2021 10:42AM

  that generalization does not hold up across the board

zn258July 17, 2021 08:37AM

  Easy for you to say. . .

RAMbeau382July 13, 2021 12:44PM

  well, in fairness...

LMU93255July 13, 2021 03:08PM

  Re: well, in fairness...

waterfield505July 13, 2021 03:54PM

  Despite fans' fantasies, Billionaires don't own NFL teams as a hobby

RockRam619July 14, 2021 02:30AM

  Re: Despite fans' fantasies, Billionaires don't own NFL teams as a hobby

waterfield530July 14, 2021 11:11AM

  Re: Despite fans' fantasies, Billionaires don't own NFL teams as a hobby

zn374July 17, 2021 12:45PM

  I don't really believe that...

JamesJM537July 14, 2021 11:17AM

  Re: And you wonder why St. Louis hates the Rams at thjs level. . .

Jelly Belly549July 13, 2021 07:35AM

  Classy, isn't itl. . .

RAMbeau311July 13, 2021 07:37AM

  I remember the good old days...

DaJudge673July 13, 2021 08:20AM

  The Irony of it All

den-the-coach579July 13, 2021 08:46AM

  I don’t know who “THE BOARD” is but u and Mama are Aces in my book

stlramz232July 13, 2021 04:08PM

  Back at ya George. . . .

RAMbeau366July 13, 2021 04:28PM

  I'll always stick up for the folks in STL

stlramz215July 13, 2021 07:47PM

  I think both things are true (no heroes)

JimYoungblood53200July 13, 2021 07:55PM

  the money settlement has nothing to do with the Rams moving

zn243July 17, 2021 12:59PM

  STL made a deal with the devil(Georgia)and surprised they got burnt??

Rampage2K-489July 14, 2021 01:07AM

  Re: STL made a deal with the devil(Georgia)and surprised they got burnt??

moklerman327July 14, 2021 01:51AM

  What you describe could happen AGAIN in Los Angeles too.

Ramgator384July 14, 2021 03:47AM

  Why is anyone to blame?

DaJudge393July 14, 2021 08:49AM

  Nothing wrong with moving a team...at all. BUT.......

Ramgator538July 14, 2021 10:00AM

  Rams have not had a good Owner since 2 April 1979.

Ramgator469July 14, 2021 10:08AM

  Re: Rams have not had a good Owner since 2 April 1979.

Rams43475July 14, 2021 11:02AM

  Re: Rams have not had a good Owner since 2 April 1979.

moklerman401July 14, 2021 11:18AM

  I'm from Alton (St Louis suburb)

shellback284July 14, 2021 01:37AM

  If I might say: I agree. Fair enough.

RockRam397July 14, 2021 02:25AM

  Alton! I still recall the blue water tower there.

Ramgator295July 14, 2021 03:32AM

  it's always a complex and emotional thng...

LMU93424July 14, 2021 04:41AM

  My final say. . . and a simple question. .

RAMbeau308July 14, 2021 08:15AM

  Re: My final say. . . and a simple question. .

Leoram249July 14, 2021 09:07AM

  Simple Answer

waterfield447July 14, 2021 11:20AM

  Re: Simple Answer

moklerman399July 14, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: My final say. . . and a simple question. .

moklerman237July 14, 2021 11:31AM

  Pure BS. . . try again. . nm

RAMbeau338July 14, 2021 12:19PM

  Re: Pure BS. . . try again. . nm

moklerman410July 14, 2021 12:47PM

  maybe my memory's bad...

LMU93501July 14, 2021 12:51PM

  Bernie wasn't the only guy saying things like this...

DaJudge267July 14, 2021 01:07PM

  Oh Bernie…..

Rampage2K-489July 14, 2021 07:58PM

  Bernie to Jourdan...

LMU93310July 15, 2021 04:33AM

  there was hostility on part of a vocal minority around here

21Dog689July 14, 2021 01:34PM

  Re: there was hostility on part of a vocal minority around here

Rampage2K-216July 17, 2021 09:38AM

  Re: there was hostility on part of a vocal minority around here

MamaRAMa208July 17, 2021 10:25AM

  Re: there was hostility on part of a vocal minority around here

moklerman180July 17, 2021 11:33AM

  As this strand of conversation develops.....

73Ram349July 17, 2021 04:08PM

  Re: And you wonder why St. Louis hates the Rams at thjs level. . .

pmill66360July 14, 2021 01:08PM

  Forbes article

moklerman319July 15, 2021 12:20AM

  Yeah where STL made their mistake...

merlin351July 15, 2021 08:55PM

  and no one is saying otherwise.

zn344July 16, 2021 12:25AM

  Re: and no one is saying otherwise.

moklerman196July 16, 2021 12:24PM

  Exactly

merlin177July 17, 2021 07:06AM

  Re: Exactly

zn156July 17, 2021 08:00AM

  Re: Exactly

moklerman250July 17, 2021 09:34AM

  we are not talking about the same thing, and not even remotely

zn228July 17, 2021 08:09AM

  Re: we are not talking about the same thing, and not even remotely

Rampage2K-201July 17, 2021 09:50AM

  Re: we are not talking about the same thing, and not even remotely

moklerman326July 17, 2021 10:11AM

  I hear it and am pointing out how it's off topic and you can't hear THAT

zn178July 17, 2021 12:25PM

  Re: I hear it and am pointing out how it's off topic and you can't hear THAT

moklerman268July 17, 2021 12:35PM