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moklerman
Well, if you're just going to create your own definitions so that your arguments work, there isn't much to talk about.
You specifically said more than once that he has never been elite. Which isn't true. Your version elite is just that, your version. Not the actual definition. And I don't think it's particularly "honest" to downplay what he's done and/or disregard the circumstances.
But, it is telling that you hold Stafford responsible for the Lions not winning playoff games. You seem to have some kind of grudge against him. Because the sentiment that I get from Rams fans has pretty consistently been that he is a talented QB who is going from a poor situation to a good situation and that warrants optimism and high expectations. I have not seen many who have been arguing that he is and has always been elite.
I think your definition is the one that is out of the norm--the one where a guy can be elite in 2011 and it carries with him for a decade--the one where he's never won a playoff game--where he's never sustained and produced to his skills set.
Can't it be that it's possibly, just maybe, you that is being too generous?
And when you say the "actual definition" where is that found, exactly?
My view is that it is not honest to puff up a guy, as many Rams fans are doing just because he's now a Ram. I do see fan fans, maybe you haven't sayng that "Stafford is elite" and all I have done is say he's not, by any definition that is common usage.
Has be ever been top 5? Maybe once or twice.
Even if you go by stats---4 times in the top 10 in passer ratings. 4 times in the top 10 in TD passes. Completion % 4 times in the top 10. He thrown for a lot of yard--7 times in tiop 10 but he's been in the ten 7 times in passes thrown. Sorry, that's not elite--4 of 12 years in the top 10 in major passing categories
then throw in the winning---all that.
So, look, nothing personal---but my definition of elite is reasonable and defensible. It really is.