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Re: My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

July 14, 2021 04:18PM
Well, if you're just going to create your own definitions so that your arguments work, there isn't much to talk about.

You specifically said more than once that he has never been elite. Which isn't true. Your version elite is just that, your version. Not the actual definition. And I don't think it's particularly "honest" to downplay what he's done and/or disregard the circumstances.

But, it is telling that you hold Stafford responsible for the Lions not winning playoff games. You seem to have some kind of grudge against him. Because the sentiment that I get from Rams fans has pretty consistently been that he is a talented QB who is going from a poor situation to a good situation and that warrants optimism and high expectations. I have not seen many who have been arguing that he is and has always been elite.
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  Stafford's overrated

joram1551July 08, 2021 04:51PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

george_allen400July 08, 2021 05:22PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

zn397July 08, 2021 05:25PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

Payote75322July 08, 2021 07:34PM

  +1.

stlramz461July 08, 2021 08:56PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

BeachBoy176July 09, 2021 09:58PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

Classicalwit293July 11, 2021 06:58PM

  All in the past

JimYoungblood53295July 08, 2021 06:37PM

  I had a good laugh from that.

NewMexicoRam459July 08, 2021 06:44PM

  Re: I had a good laugh from that.

waterfield207July 08, 2021 08:29PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

moklerman311July 08, 2021 08:34PM

  Yeah, I think I'll go ahead and go with McVay and Shanahan

BC Ramsfan200July 08, 2021 09:19PM

  There is always the one or two

den-the-coach495July 09, 2021 03:07AM

  Re: There is always the one or two

Leoram565July 09, 2021 03:34AM

  Shanny used to live Jimmy G, McVay ysed to loe Goff

JimYoungblood53178July 09, 2021 02:51PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

PA48350July 09, 2021 03:22AM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

moklerman154July 09, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

zn183July 09, 2021 04:21PM

  Looked back at his numbers and some team numbers for the lions 2009-2020...

roman18638July 09, 2021 04:27AM

  Good analysis

NewMexicoRam185July 09, 2021 01:05PM

  Re: Looked back at his numbers and some team numbers for the lions 2009-2020...

AlbaNY_Ram255July 09, 2021 01:32PM

  Stafford's overrated: I can see why some share that opinion.

Anonymous User381July 09, 2021 03:02PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated: I can see why some share that opinion.

zn702July 09, 2021 03:30PM

  What does overrated mean?

JimYoungblood53449July 11, 2021 02:15AM

  Re: What does overrated mean?

moklerman435July 11, 2021 09:47AM

  No

JimYoungblood53170July 11, 2021 03:26PM

  Re: No

moklerman175July 11, 2021 05:02PM

  Not balony

JimYoungblood53191July 11, 2021 10:06PM

  Re: Not balony

moklerman280July 12, 2021 12:03PM

  I think you're just wanting

JimYoungblood53159July 12, 2021 01:19PM

  Re: I think you're just wanting

moklerman147July 12, 2021 10:13PM

  I said he's never been elite

JimYoungblood53142July 14, 2021 08:20AM

  Re: I said he's never been elite

moklerman174July 14, 2021 12:08PM

  My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

JimYoungblood53114July 14, 2021 04:05PM

  Re: My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

moklerman256July 14, 2021 04:18PM

  Why is my definition out of the norm?

JimYoungblood53141July 14, 2021 04:50PM

  Re: Why is my definition out of the norm?

moklerman280July 14, 2021 05:05PM

  No----Top 10 four times

JimYoungblood53258July 14, 2021 05:45PM

  Re: No----Top 10 four times

moklerman134July 15, 2021 12:38AM

  Wrong

JimYoungblood53136July 15, 2021 09:08AM

  Re: Wrong

moklerman139July 15, 2021 11:33AM

  Sorry,

JimYoungblood53141July 15, 2021 12:27PM

  Re: Sorry,

moklerman245July 15, 2021 01:18PM

  You, for one

JimYoungblood53127July 15, 2021 01:54PM

  Nope

moklerman131July 15, 2021 04:55PM

  Man

JimYoungblood53238July 15, 2021 07:26PM

  Re: Man

moklerman149July 15, 2021 08:53PM

  Elite is sustaining greatness for a long time

PHDram144July 15, 2021 12:54PM

  Another important missed fact

Coy Bacon319July 09, 2021 04:47PM

  I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

LMU93151July 11, 2021 08:03AM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

zn402July 11, 2021 09:14AM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

dzrams231July 11, 2021 07:01PM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

moklerman278July 11, 2021 08:31PM

  I don't think this reflects most fans' thinking: Yes sir, LMU93

Anonymous User179July 11, 2021 09:20AM

  Bucky Brooks: Stafford a top 5 underrated player in the NFL

zn352July 11, 2021 11:26AM

  This is why I don't respect Bucky Brooks

merlin212July 11, 2021 06:03PM

  I did the same thing and had the same reaction

Atlantic Ram361July 14, 2021 05:59AM

  I think is is overrated too but likable

Rams_81182July 12, 2021 11:31AM

  yes he is accurate depending on the range

zn171July 12, 2021 07:34PM

  look at this late bloomer

joram495July 14, 2021 05:19PM

  Keep in mind: Played on terrible teams with no running game

ferragamo79263July 14, 2021 06:59PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

HornsUpRamily!402July 15, 2021 11:56AM

  Bump

Ramadune183February 03, 2022 12:30PM

  I miss zn…

Rams43163February 03, 2022 02:36PM

  Re: I miss zn…

THE FANATIC407February 03, 2022 03:00PM

  I do, too...

sstrams128February 03, 2022 03:19PM

  pretty opinionated and banned multiple times

ferragamo79363February 03, 2022 03:28PM

  True

Speedball89163February 03, 2022 04:04PM

  Re: True

Killrazor151February 04, 2022 12:32AM

  like i said b4 even murderers get parole

joram136February 04, 2022 01:55AM