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Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

July 11, 2021 09:14AM
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LMU93
Sure, it's one of the league's big offseason storylines. But to me "overrated" would be calling Stafford a top 3-5 QB and that he should be able to carry the Rams to a Super Bowl win pretty handily. I don't recall seeing anyone here say that.

I DO think most fans see Stafford as a solidly top-10 QB that will be surrounded by the best supporting cast he's ever had, the best coaching he's ever had and a guy that was a fairly substantial upgrade from Goff.

This writer sounds bitter about the one Lions' team of the past 12 years (2014) that was top-12ish in the league (including a very good defense) but didn't go farther. Actually it looks to me like their 2011 team was actually better overall- but even then their defense was bottom 8-10.

It's amazing isn't it, what some analysts do. They want to look at qbs completely out of context. So for example Stafford's Lions had a good to decent defense 3 out of 12 years and the rest of the time it was a liability, and he had a decent enough running game 1 time in 12 years. That's not a formula for winning. (He also had crappy OLs much of the time though that's not true of the last couple of years).

A qb plays in a context.

Heck even the great GSOT teams--they had a top 10 defense twice (99 and 2001--ranked 6th and 3rd respectively). When the defense crashed in 2000, they couldn't win their one playoff game. They always had a top 10 running game, at least as measured by yards per carry.

And obviously that's not saying the defense is what does it--it's the combination of things. You need more than one thing. Sometimes you have a defense so great it cancels all other considerations, but that is very rare.

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  Stafford's overrated

joram1546July 08, 2021 04:51PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

george_allen400July 08, 2021 05:22PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

zn397July 08, 2021 05:25PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

Payote75320July 08, 2021 07:34PM

  +1.

stlramz459July 08, 2021 08:56PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

BeachBoy173July 09, 2021 09:58PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

Classicalwit290July 11, 2021 06:58PM

  All in the past

JimYoungblood53294July 08, 2021 06:37PM

  I had a good laugh from that.

NewMexicoRam458July 08, 2021 06:44PM

  Re: I had a good laugh from that.

waterfield204July 08, 2021 08:29PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

moklerman310July 08, 2021 08:34PM

  Yeah, I think I'll go ahead and go with McVay and Shanahan

BC Ramsfan197July 08, 2021 09:19PM

  There is always the one or two

den-the-coach493July 09, 2021 03:07AM

  Re: There is always the one or two

Leoram564July 09, 2021 03:34AM

  Shanny used to live Jimmy G, McVay ysed to loe Goff

JimYoungblood53175July 09, 2021 02:51PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

PA48348July 09, 2021 03:22AM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

moklerman153July 09, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

zn182July 09, 2021 04:21PM

  Looked back at his numbers and some team numbers for the lions 2009-2020...

roman18637July 09, 2021 04:27AM

  Good analysis

NewMexicoRam182July 09, 2021 01:05PM

  Re: Looked back at his numbers and some team numbers for the lions 2009-2020...

AlbaNY_Ram254July 09, 2021 01:32PM

  Stafford's overrated: I can see why some share that opinion.

Anonymous User378July 09, 2021 03:02PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated: I can see why some share that opinion.

zn701July 09, 2021 03:30PM

  What does overrated mean?

JimYoungblood53447July 11, 2021 02:15AM

  Re: What does overrated mean?

moklerman435July 11, 2021 09:47AM

  No

JimYoungblood53169July 11, 2021 03:26PM

  Re: No

moklerman174July 11, 2021 05:02PM

  Not balony

JimYoungblood53188July 11, 2021 10:06PM

  Re: Not balony

moklerman279July 12, 2021 12:03PM

  I think you're just wanting

JimYoungblood53158July 12, 2021 01:19PM

  Re: I think you're just wanting

moklerman147July 12, 2021 10:13PM

  I said he's never been elite

JimYoungblood53142July 14, 2021 08:20AM

  Re: I said he's never been elite

moklerman171July 14, 2021 12:08PM

  My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

JimYoungblood53111July 14, 2021 04:05PM

  Re: My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

moklerman254July 14, 2021 04:18PM

  Why is my definition out of the norm?

JimYoungblood53140July 14, 2021 04:50PM

  Re: Why is my definition out of the norm?

moklerman278July 14, 2021 05:05PM

  No----Top 10 four times

JimYoungblood53258July 14, 2021 05:45PM

  Re: No----Top 10 four times

moklerman134July 15, 2021 12:38AM

  Wrong

JimYoungblood53134July 15, 2021 09:08AM

  Re: Wrong

moklerman138July 15, 2021 11:33AM

  Sorry,

JimYoungblood53139July 15, 2021 12:27PM

  Re: Sorry,

moklerman242July 15, 2021 01:18PM

  You, for one

JimYoungblood53126July 15, 2021 01:54PM

  Nope

moklerman129July 15, 2021 04:55PM

  Man

JimYoungblood53236July 15, 2021 07:26PM

  Re: Man

moklerman149July 15, 2021 08:53PM

  Elite is sustaining greatness for a long time

PHDram144July 15, 2021 12:54PM

  Another important missed fact

Coy Bacon319July 09, 2021 04:47PM

  I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

LMU93150July 11, 2021 08:03AM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

zn399July 11, 2021 09:14AM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

dzrams228July 11, 2021 07:01PM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

moklerman275July 11, 2021 08:31PM

  I don't think this reflects most fans' thinking: Yes sir, LMU93

Anonymous User178July 11, 2021 09:20AM

  Bucky Brooks: Stafford a top 5 underrated player in the NFL

zn350July 11, 2021 11:26AM

  This is why I don't respect Bucky Brooks

merlin209July 11, 2021 06:03PM

  I did the same thing and had the same reaction

Atlantic Ram359July 14, 2021 05:59AM

  I think is is overrated too but likable

Rams_81181July 12, 2021 11:31AM

  yes he is accurate depending on the range

zn171July 12, 2021 07:34PM

  look at this late bloomer

joram491July 14, 2021 05:19PM

  Keep in mind: Played on terrible teams with no running game

ferragamo79260July 14, 2021 06:59PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

HornsUpRamily!399July 15, 2021 11:56AM

  Bump

Ramadune182February 03, 2022 12:30PM

  I miss zn…

Rams43163February 03, 2022 02:36PM

  Re: I miss zn…

THE FANATIC407February 03, 2022 03:00PM

  I do, too...

sstrams127February 03, 2022 03:19PM

  pretty opinionated and banned multiple times

ferragamo79363February 03, 2022 03:28PM

  True

Speedball89162February 03, 2022 04:04PM

  Re: True

Killrazor151February 04, 2022 12:32AM

  like i said b4 even murderers get parole

joram135February 04, 2022 01:55AM