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Re: Stafford's overrated

July 09, 2021 04:21PM
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moklerman
This article doesn't seem particularly honest or objective.

Maybe not. But it is factual. Stafford has made it to the postseason 3 times in 12 years. That's 25%. We can debate how much of it was Stafford not being able to elevate his team or how much his team failed him. But facts are facts. He did have weapons around him. He did have a lot of losing. What he didn't have was a trend setting offensive mind designing the offense around him. We're going to see what happens when he has all those things. And if he has success, detractors will probably say, "well yeah, he had all those things around him".

I partly agree and partly disagree. You mention the team not coming through with him--I do agree with that.

I disagree that a good qb needs a trend setting offensive mind. How many superbowl winning teams had that? Certainly not all of them. I don't even think it was many of them. Go back to Don Coryell, the first in a several decades series of trend setting offensive minds that came after the great offense-favoring rules changes in 78. Coryell did not win a superbowl. Martz never did much of anything in the league after his Vermeil-built Rams team faded away, Walsh won several but then so did Flores and Parcells. So you do not need that...though of course, I ain't scoffing at it. It's just not the big key factor.

Here's what Detroit did NOT have when he was there:

* a consistently good defense. It was good for 3 of his 12 years there (in those 3 years it was ranked 2nd, 10th, & 13th). In fact mostly it was downright awful and usually ranked in the 20s when it wasn't in the bottom 3.

* a consistently good running game. The best the Stafford Lions ever ranked in yards per carry was 13th in 2011. Most of the time it was ranked 20th or below and mostly below. In fact a couple of times it ranked 32nd.

* the chance to play with leads or ties. Stafford played from behind a huge percentage of the time.

If all you have in that mixture is receiving weapons sometimes, you don't do very well as a team. It's just not enough.

Rams do have the offensive mind (though he has to improve in some areas, and there's a chance Stafford will actually help with that).

But they also (presumably if not most likely) have the running game and defense.

And they don't play from behind nearly as often as the Lions have.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2021 04:25PM by zn.
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  Stafford's overrated

joram1546July 08, 2021 04:51PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

george_allen400July 08, 2021 05:22PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

zn396July 08, 2021 05:25PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

Payote75320July 08, 2021 07:34PM

  +1.

stlramz459July 08, 2021 08:56PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

BeachBoy173July 09, 2021 09:58PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

Classicalwit290July 11, 2021 06:58PM

  All in the past

JimYoungblood53294July 08, 2021 06:37PM

  I had a good laugh from that.

NewMexicoRam458July 08, 2021 06:44PM

  Re: I had a good laugh from that.

waterfield204July 08, 2021 08:29PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

moklerman310July 08, 2021 08:34PM

  Yeah, I think I'll go ahead and go with McVay and Shanahan

BC Ramsfan197July 08, 2021 09:19PM

  There is always the one or two

den-the-coach493July 09, 2021 03:07AM

  Re: There is always the one or two

Leoram564July 09, 2021 03:34AM

  Shanny used to live Jimmy G, McVay ysed to loe Goff

JimYoungblood53175July 09, 2021 02:51PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

PA48348July 09, 2021 03:22AM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

moklerman153July 09, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

zn181July 09, 2021 04:21PM

  Looked back at his numbers and some team numbers for the lions 2009-2020...

roman18637July 09, 2021 04:27AM

  Good analysis

NewMexicoRam182July 09, 2021 01:05PM

  Re: Looked back at his numbers and some team numbers for the lions 2009-2020...

AlbaNY_Ram254July 09, 2021 01:32PM

  Stafford's overrated: I can see why some share that opinion.

Anonymous User377July 09, 2021 03:02PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated: I can see why some share that opinion.

zn700July 09, 2021 03:30PM

  What does overrated mean?

JimYoungblood53447July 11, 2021 02:15AM

  Re: What does overrated mean?

moklerman435July 11, 2021 09:47AM

  No

JimYoungblood53169July 11, 2021 03:26PM

  Re: No

moklerman174July 11, 2021 05:02PM

  Not balony

JimYoungblood53188July 11, 2021 10:06PM

  Re: Not balony

moklerman279July 12, 2021 12:03PM

  I think you're just wanting

JimYoungblood53158July 12, 2021 01:19PM

  Re: I think you're just wanting

moklerman147July 12, 2021 10:13PM

  I said he's never been elite

JimYoungblood53142July 14, 2021 08:20AM

  Re: I said he's never been elite

moklerman171July 14, 2021 12:08PM

  My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

JimYoungblood53111July 14, 2021 04:05PM

  Re: My point is keeping on with the debate is you are not

moklerman254July 14, 2021 04:18PM

  Why is my definition out of the norm?

JimYoungblood53140July 14, 2021 04:50PM

  Re: Why is my definition out of the norm?

moklerman278July 14, 2021 05:05PM

  No----Top 10 four times

JimYoungblood53258July 14, 2021 05:45PM

  Re: No----Top 10 four times

moklerman134July 15, 2021 12:38AM

  Wrong

JimYoungblood53134July 15, 2021 09:08AM

  Re: Wrong

moklerman138July 15, 2021 11:33AM

  Sorry,

JimYoungblood53139July 15, 2021 12:27PM

  Re: Sorry,

moklerman242July 15, 2021 01:18PM

  You, for one

JimYoungblood53126July 15, 2021 01:54PM

  Nope

moklerman129July 15, 2021 04:55PM

  Man

JimYoungblood53236July 15, 2021 07:26PM

  Re: Man

moklerman149July 15, 2021 08:53PM

  Elite is sustaining greatness for a long time

PHDram143July 15, 2021 12:54PM

  Another important missed fact

Coy Bacon319July 09, 2021 04:47PM

  I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

LMU93150July 11, 2021 08:03AM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

zn399July 11, 2021 09:14AM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

dzrams228July 11, 2021 07:01PM

  Re: I don't think this relfects most fans' thinking

moklerman275July 11, 2021 08:31PM

  I don't think this reflects most fans' thinking: Yes sir, LMU93

Anonymous User178July 11, 2021 09:20AM

  Bucky Brooks: Stafford a top 5 underrated player in the NFL

zn349July 11, 2021 11:26AM

  This is why I don't respect Bucky Brooks

merlin209July 11, 2021 06:03PM

  I did the same thing and had the same reaction

Atlantic Ram359July 14, 2021 05:59AM

  I think is is overrated too but likable

Rams_81181July 12, 2021 11:31AM

  yes he is accurate depending on the range

zn170July 12, 2021 07:34PM

  look at this late bloomer

joram491July 14, 2021 05:19PM

  Keep in mind: Played on terrible teams with no running game

ferragamo79260July 14, 2021 06:59PM

  Re: Stafford's overrated

HornsUpRamily!399July 15, 2021 11:56AM

  Bump

Ramadune182February 03, 2022 12:30PM

  I miss zn…

Rams43163February 03, 2022 02:36PM

  Re: I miss zn…

THE FANATIC407February 03, 2022 03:00PM

  I do, too...

sstrams127February 03, 2022 03:19PM

  pretty opinionated and banned multiple times

ferragamo79363February 03, 2022 03:28PM

  True

Speedball89162February 03, 2022 04:04PM

  Re: True

Killrazor151February 04, 2022 12:32AM

  like i said b4 even murderers get parole

joram135February 04, 2022 01:55AM