July 30, 2018 07:50AM
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RockRam
ZN, I understand that for you, business and contract ethics play no role in this debate. Fine. That's your take.
They do for me. And thank gosh they do for most business people or our civil contract legal system would be chaos.

For some reason folks such as yourself see Pro sports as an exception to the rule of ethical contract law; I don't.
The Rams are NOT responsible for the terms of the CBA. They simply have to abide by them. The Rams did not set the rookie scale; it was negotiated how that system would work some years ago between the Players Union and Goodell. The Players agreed to it.

Your idea that players can play above their contracts is entirely subjective. How do you measure that? How do you determine what contract level play is so that the player is being paid at exactly the right level according to a contract? And what difference does it make? Sure, I get it that when the contract is up the guys who play better and make more impact in the eyes of some teams and GMs will get paid more; that's the marketplace at work and the CBA makes that a possibility.

But Donald is under contract. And the CBA allows the Rams to pay him the contract price, and to Tag him up to 3 times. That is the CBA as well.....which the Players voted on and agreed to.

I know this won't change your mind. But I see your stance as entirely subjective and anti-ethical. If teams tried to subvert the CBA and contract law the way you are supporting for Donald to subvert the CBA and contract law, then the CBA and contract law are pointless and it becomes a free for all.

If in a couple of years the terms of the CBA change, and there's a modified Rookie salary scale (or none at all), and if players are granted fully guaranteed contracts, and players are given the specific right to disavow their contracts, fine. But that's not how it is now, and AD needs to honor that.


I agree 100% with the part of your post about the Rams are certainly operating under the CBA, an agreement that the players and their union agreed to after a negotiation and a vote.

I can't speak to ZN's view on ethics, but I can speak to my view on Donald.

Donald signed a contract under the terms of an agreement that his union, his agent and the team all agreed to. He is actually not honoring his own contract, but the CBA as well.

Now, he wants to renegotiate that contract - I get that. He's not the only one. He has the option of living up to his contract while he negotiates a new contract or an extension. He has chosen to not do that and to hold out and not be part of the team at this time.

Last year he chose to do the same thing. This, in the middle of a coaching change, with a new defensive scheme. This year, there are new players alongside him on the line (Suh and rookies) and behind him (various LBs) that would benefit from playing with him so that they are all on the same page. Every player plays his position differently and it takes time so that that player's teammates can get in sync and become a better team.

He's not a leader. He's set himself apart from the team. The truth is, he's a distraction. Every day McVay and others are asked about Donald, a player who is not even there. McVay and the players can't do anything about it, yet Donald's "situation" remains at the forefront. Kind of like a big turd on the sidelines with flies buzzing around, waiting to be cleaned up so we can focus on the team and getting ready for the season. (The situation not Donald.)

After all of the recent rough years, this team has a chance to be something special, but they all need to be pulling the same way. Donald is not.

A couple of other things:

Everyone views Donald as "deserving" more as he turned out to be much better than what everyone thought he was going to be. The consensus is he should get more money. Why is that a one-way street? Why don't players who underperform not have to give money back? Why is it that it's only the team that has to pay to make things "equitable and fair?"

This isn't Donald's only chance to make money. He can always go get another job or build himself another career. There are plenty of ex-players that have moved into broadcasting or coaching or the front office or taken up another career. He can walk away any time. And likely be healthier for it.








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I can't speak to ZN's ethics, but I can speak to my view on Donald.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

RockRam768July 30, 2018 03:22AM

  Agree - strongly - greed and ego - NM

YOUNGBLOOD85369July 30, 2018 03:43AM

  have to disagree

zn335July 30, 2018 04:07AM

  Understand. Ethics simply aren't in your wheelhouse for sports contracts.

RockRam296July 30, 2018 06:01AM

  that is simply not true

zn297July 30, 2018 06:09AM

  Re: that is simply not true

BarryRams298July 30, 2018 07:15AM

  So can owners revoke contract for underachievers?

ferragamo79457July 30, 2018 07:40AM

  no one in this situation is demanding a new contract though

zn246July 30, 2018 08:11AM

  Re: Not necessary...

dzrams230July 30, 2018 08:16AM

  keep in mind it works both ways

ferragamo79213July 30, 2018 09:25AM

  Re: keep in mind it works both ways

dzrams182July 30, 2018 09:44AM

  we are talking 1st rounders here

ferragamo79197July 30, 2018 12:16PM

  with this caveat

zn232July 30, 2018 08:04AM

  +1 + more

Ramadune244July 30, 2018 07:50AM

  So if you were Donald you would just play out the contract

Atlantic Ram240July 30, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: EGO & Is AD as valuable as a QB (LOL)

Steve170July 30, 2018 10:41AM

  what is "qb money"?

zn311July 30, 2018 01:55PM

  Re: Are value and impact synonymous?

dzrams196July 30, 2018 02:21PM

  Re: and dont forget...

spagsbacker405July 30, 2018 04:19AM

  Have to agree

Ramsdude255July 30, 2018 05:11AM

  I see it the same way.

GlacieRam513July 30, 2018 05:57AM

  Nah, the issue is the CAP

max232July 30, 2018 06:17AM

  Re: If there was no cap then

Speed_Kills265July 30, 2018 06:55AM

  +1

Ramadune228July 30, 2018 06:58AM

  Re: If there was no cap then

VANRAM242July 30, 2018 07:01AM

  Re: Yes, ALL NFL TEAMS have the same $$$$$.

oldschoolramfan468July 30, 2018 07:07AM

  No thanks.

DaJudge217July 30, 2018 07:02AM

  Good idea.

CeeZar217July 30, 2018 07:12AM

  REALLY REALLY Good idea!

Ramadune354July 30, 2018 01:04PM

  I agree with RamUK

CeeZar262July 30, 2018 06:47AM

  Re: I agree with RamUK

jim beam209July 30, 2018 07:55AM

  Re: I agree with RamUK

Ramboni202July 30, 2018 12:19PM

  Re: I agree and I don't blame him

Coy Bacon201July 30, 2018 07:20AM

  I agree more with ZN

Dram222July 30, 2018 07:34AM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

cool_hand_luke205July 30, 2018 07:50AM

  wish my boss shared the wealth with me

ferragamo79207July 30, 2018 09:26AM

  Re: wish my boss shared the wealth with me

zn219July 30, 2018 09:32AM

  Re: In the real world...

dzrams171July 30, 2018 09:48AM

  but I am making comparisons

ferragamo79246July 30, 2018 10:25AM

  Re: If we're gonna talk about ridiculous...

dzrams238July 30, 2018 11:08AM

  yet Donald was making 1.8 million last year

ferragamo79252July 30, 2018 12:45PM

  Re: On the importance of AD....

dzrams207July 30, 2018 08:47AM

  I always add this qualification

zn224July 30, 2018 10:08AM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed by a notorious agent

Rampage2K-232July 30, 2018 09:29AM

  Typical...

jemach235July 30, 2018 09:38AM

  How are you coming up with this?

Atlantic Ram223July 30, 2018 09:59AM

  GLUTTONY GLUTTONY!!!! And the sad thing is.....

Ramgator266July 30, 2018 10:02AM

  I tend to think his holdout is misguided not greedy

David Deacon190July 30, 2018 03:05PM

  Oh, AD will show up...

Rams43222July 30, 2018 03:13PM

  Re: Oh, AD will show up...

oldschoolramfan202July 30, 2018 04:00PM

  anyway

zn283July 30, 2018 07:18PM

  Re: anyway

k3225July 31, 2018 02:47PM

  Re: anyway

bigjimram21169August 01, 2018 03:14PM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

The Professor183July 31, 2018 12:49PM