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what is "qb money"?

July 30, 2018 01:55PM
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Steve

Best question yet: What starting QB is AD as valuable as? Bradford? no way; Keenum? no way.

Well even if AD took the Rams (low) offer at 21 M, he would already be getting more than Bradford (20 M) and Keenum (18 M).

And let's say the Rams gave in to 25 M. This year qb money on 2nd contracts was 28 M (Cousins) and next year it will be more (30 M at least) so how big is 25 M in comparison? It will be quickly overshadowed when Goff is paid in excess of 30 M in 2021. On top of it, qbs were getting 24-25 M in 2016 and 2017, when Luck and Carr got their brand new 2nd contracts. You're saying an elite defender can't get what a qb got 3 years ago? Heck Carr got 25 M in 2017, and Wilson 22 M in 2015...is Carr "worth" more than Wilson? (Naw it all has to do with the year you come up.)

And as for the magic unbreakable "qb contract" barrier, when Watt got his deal in 2014 (16.6 M) it was already more than a lot of starting qbs, including Bradford (13 M). Then when Suh got his 19 M deal in 2015, that too was more than most qbs and the ones above him were only 1 to 3 M more.

And there are always more good to great qbs than elite DTs. In fact Donald is the only recent one and the last 2 (Randle and Sapp) were out of the game by 2003 and 2007, respectively. Elite DTs make any defense better. What is that "worth"?

Besides contracts are not really measured by "how valuable a player is." If they were, Cooks would not be getting more than Gurley right now. Nothing against Cooks in the least, but if you were the one who had to choose, who misses an important game, Cooks or Gurley? If you say Gurley, then you have to wonder why he got so much as a running back. If you say Cooks, you have to wonder why he got more than Gurley.

You can sweep all those kinds of calculations away. Here's what DOES happen. 2nd contracts go up, and the increase is within a range. Donald, like Mack, is being paid not by a position but by the designation of "best defender." There's really only 4 guys like that right now--Watt, Von Miller, Mack, and Donald. It's the same logic that designated Gurley as more than just a running back (the highest RB contract, not tag but contract, is 8 M, and Gurley got almost twice that). So the starting point is Von Miller's 19 M in 2016. If 2nd contracts go up every year, and they do, and by a certain percentage, and they do, how much more is Donald worth in 2018 than Von Miller was in 2016 (hint: it's not merely 2 M more).

The whole "is he as valuable as a qb" thing is just smoke compared to that. That's the real measure. Anything else ignores the reality of how these contracts usually work.

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Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2018 02:15PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

RockRam766July 30, 2018 03:22AM

  Agree - strongly - greed and ego - NM

YOUNGBLOOD85367July 30, 2018 03:43AM

  have to disagree

zn333July 30, 2018 04:07AM

  Understand. Ethics simply aren't in your wheelhouse for sports contracts.

RockRam295July 30, 2018 06:01AM

  that is simply not true

zn294July 30, 2018 06:09AM

  Re: that is simply not true

BarryRams296July 30, 2018 07:15AM

  So can owners revoke contract for underachievers?

ferragamo79451July 30, 2018 07:40AM

  no one in this situation is demanding a new contract though

zn245July 30, 2018 08:11AM

  Re: Not necessary...

dzrams229July 30, 2018 08:16AM

  keep in mind it works both ways

ferragamo79210July 30, 2018 09:25AM

  Re: keep in mind it works both ways

dzrams180July 30, 2018 09:44AM

  we are talking 1st rounders here

ferragamo79195July 30, 2018 12:16PM

  with this caveat

zn229July 30, 2018 08:04AM

  +1 + more

Ramadune243July 30, 2018 07:50AM

  So if you were Donald you would just play out the contract

Atlantic Ram239July 30, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: EGO & Is AD as valuable as a QB (LOL)

Steve168July 30, 2018 10:41AM

  what is "qb money"?

zn308July 30, 2018 01:55PM

  Re: Are value and impact synonymous?

dzrams193July 30, 2018 02:21PM

  Re: and dont forget...

spagsbacker403July 30, 2018 04:19AM

  Have to agree

Ramsdude251July 30, 2018 05:11AM

  I see it the same way.

GlacieRam511July 30, 2018 05:57AM

  Nah, the issue is the CAP

max230July 30, 2018 06:17AM

  Re: If there was no cap then

Speed_Kills263July 30, 2018 06:55AM

  +1

Ramadune225July 30, 2018 06:58AM

  Re: If there was no cap then

VANRAM240July 30, 2018 07:01AM

  Re: Yes, ALL NFL TEAMS have the same $$$$$.

oldschoolramfan467July 30, 2018 07:07AM

  No thanks.

DaJudge216July 30, 2018 07:02AM

  Good idea.

CeeZar214July 30, 2018 07:12AM

  REALLY REALLY Good idea!

Ramadune352July 30, 2018 01:04PM

  I agree with RamUK

CeeZar259July 30, 2018 06:47AM

  Re: I agree with RamUK

jim beam208July 30, 2018 07:55AM

  Re: I agree with RamUK

Ramboni200July 30, 2018 12:19PM

  Re: I agree and I don't blame him

Coy Bacon199July 30, 2018 07:20AM

  I agree more with ZN

Dram220July 30, 2018 07:34AM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

cool_hand_luke203July 30, 2018 07:50AM

  wish my boss shared the wealth with me

ferragamo79205July 30, 2018 09:26AM

  Re: wish my boss shared the wealth with me

zn217July 30, 2018 09:32AM

  Re: In the real world...

dzrams168July 30, 2018 09:48AM

  but I am making comparisons

ferragamo79244July 30, 2018 10:25AM

  Re: If we're gonna talk about ridiculous...

dzrams236July 30, 2018 11:08AM

  yet Donald was making 1.8 million last year

ferragamo79249July 30, 2018 12:45PM

  Re: On the importance of AD....

dzrams205July 30, 2018 08:47AM

  I always add this qualification

zn222July 30, 2018 10:08AM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed by a notorious agent

Rampage2K-230July 30, 2018 09:29AM

  Typical...

jemach232July 30, 2018 09:38AM

  How are you coming up with this?

Atlantic Ram221July 30, 2018 09:59AM

  GLUTTONY GLUTTONY!!!! And the sad thing is.....

Ramgator264July 30, 2018 10:02AM

  I tend to think his holdout is misguided not greedy

David Deacon188July 30, 2018 03:05PM

  Oh, AD will show up...

Rams43220July 30, 2018 03:13PM

  Re: Oh, AD will show up...

oldschoolramfan201July 30, 2018 04:00PM

  anyway

zn281July 30, 2018 07:18PM

  Re: anyway

k3222July 31, 2018 02:47PM

  Re: anyway

bigjimram21166August 01, 2018 03:14PM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

The Professor181July 31, 2018 12:49PM