July 30, 2018 06:09AM
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RockRam
ZN, I understand that for you, business and contract ethics play no role in this debate..

I just apply it to management too.

Holdouts are old. Harrah and Youngblood held out in 1980. It's a routine part of business in the NFL. I was saying in 99 when Faulk was holding out that there's nothing unethical about a holdout. You clearly disagree, which is why we need discussion--it helps develop the awareness that there actually is more than one view on things like this and that there is not just one version of ethics in this situation.

I like a more balanced view that looks at the whole picture. In the current climate, my task is to present some of that, best I can, without being inflammatory.

Most people at contract time tend to be more pro-management. I think they naturalize that view, and can often act as if it's the only possible one. So for example you think I don't apply ethics. That's incorrect. To be more emphatic, that is quite simply COMPLETELY incorrect. I just see the ethics of the situation differently than you do, and I don't see your version of ethics in this situation as the only possible one.

I just try to always recall that there are two sides, and two sets of interests, governing negotiations. And there's more than one possible view of all that. Including the ethics of it.


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SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

RockRam767July 30, 2018 03:22AM

  Agree - strongly - greed and ego - NM

YOUNGBLOOD85369July 30, 2018 03:43AM

  have to disagree

zn335July 30, 2018 04:07AM

  Understand. Ethics simply aren't in your wheelhouse for sports contracts.

RockRam296July 30, 2018 06:01AM

  that is simply not true

zn296July 30, 2018 06:09AM

  Re: that is simply not true

BarryRams298July 30, 2018 07:15AM

  So can owners revoke contract for underachievers?

ferragamo79455July 30, 2018 07:40AM

  no one in this situation is demanding a new contract though

zn246July 30, 2018 08:11AM

  Re: Not necessary...

dzrams229July 30, 2018 08:16AM

  keep in mind it works both ways

ferragamo79213July 30, 2018 09:25AM

  Re: keep in mind it works both ways

dzrams181July 30, 2018 09:44AM

  we are talking 1st rounders here

ferragamo79197July 30, 2018 12:16PM

  with this caveat

zn231July 30, 2018 08:04AM

  +1 + more

Ramadune244July 30, 2018 07:50AM

  So if you were Donald you would just play out the contract

Atlantic Ram240July 30, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: EGO & Is AD as valuable as a QB (LOL)

Steve170July 30, 2018 10:41AM

  what is "qb money"?

zn310July 30, 2018 01:55PM

  Re: Are value and impact synonymous?

dzrams196July 30, 2018 02:21PM

  Re: and dont forget...

spagsbacker405July 30, 2018 04:19AM

  Have to agree

Ramsdude253July 30, 2018 05:11AM

  I see it the same way.

GlacieRam513July 30, 2018 05:57AM

  Nah, the issue is the CAP

max232July 30, 2018 06:17AM

  Re: If there was no cap then

Speed_Kills264July 30, 2018 06:55AM

  +1

Ramadune228July 30, 2018 06:58AM

  Re: If there was no cap then

VANRAM242July 30, 2018 07:01AM

  Re: Yes, ALL NFL TEAMS have the same $$$$$.

oldschoolramfan468July 30, 2018 07:07AM

  No thanks.

DaJudge216July 30, 2018 07:02AM

  Good idea.

CeeZar216July 30, 2018 07:12AM

  REALLY REALLY Good idea!

Ramadune354July 30, 2018 01:04PM

  I agree with RamUK

CeeZar261July 30, 2018 06:47AM

  Re: I agree with RamUK

jim beam208July 30, 2018 07:55AM

  Re: I agree with RamUK

Ramboni202July 30, 2018 12:19PM

  Re: I agree and I don't blame him

Coy Bacon201July 30, 2018 07:20AM

  I agree more with ZN

Dram221July 30, 2018 07:34AM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

cool_hand_luke205July 30, 2018 07:50AM

  wish my boss shared the wealth with me

ferragamo79207July 30, 2018 09:26AM

  Re: wish my boss shared the wealth with me

zn219July 30, 2018 09:32AM

  Re: In the real world...

dzrams170July 30, 2018 09:48AM

  but I am making comparisons

ferragamo79246July 30, 2018 10:25AM

  Re: If we're gonna talk about ridiculous...

dzrams238July 30, 2018 11:08AM

  yet Donald was making 1.8 million last year

ferragamo79252July 30, 2018 12:45PM

  Re: On the importance of AD....

dzrams207July 30, 2018 08:47AM

  I always add this qualification

zn223July 30, 2018 10:08AM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed by a notorious agent

Rampage2K-232July 30, 2018 09:29AM

  Typical...

jemach235July 30, 2018 09:38AM

  How are you coming up with this?

Atlantic Ram222July 30, 2018 09:59AM

  GLUTTONY GLUTTONY!!!! And the sad thing is.....

Ramgator265July 30, 2018 10:02AM

  I tend to think his holdout is misguided not greedy

David Deacon190July 30, 2018 03:05PM

  Oh, AD will show up...

Rams43222July 30, 2018 03:13PM

  Re: Oh, AD will show up...

oldschoolramfan202July 30, 2018 04:00PM

  anyway

zn283July 30, 2018 07:18PM

  Re: anyway

k3224July 31, 2018 02:47PM

  Re: anyway

bigjimram21166August 01, 2018 03:14PM

  Re: Donald's holdout is pure greed and not altruism.

The Professor183July 31, 2018 12:49PM