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March 25, 2018 02:50PM
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[www.profootballfocus.com]
In games that Donald played this year, the Rams got pressure on 39.2 percent of their opponents dropbacks, the fourth-best rate in the league, and they also ranked fourth among defensive units with a 7.5 sack percentage. In the two games that Donald missed this season, the Rams pressure percentage dropped all the way down to 32.2 percent while their sack percentage dipped to 6.8 percent. The Rams also had to work harder to get the pressure when Donald was absent, blitzing on 40.7 percent of their opponents passing plays without Donald in the lineup compared to just 36.2 percent of the time when he was in there. When Donald played, they were able to drop more defenders in coverage all while creating more pressure, the impact of which can’t be overstated. He elevates his entire defense in a way that few other defenders even come close to.

I don't hate them, they do some good things in terms of counting the number of this and the number of that. I do not rely on their grades.

But look at what they wrote in the above and what the derived.

39.2% "all the way down" to 32.2%
7.5% down to 6.8%
40.7% down to 36.2%


differences
7%
less than 1%
5.5%

In terms of football that is not that much, not enough to make the sweeping judgment at the end. The differences could be made up in the types of plays the opponent called when Donald not in lineup. In fact, in theory, teams could have tried riskier passes when Donald not in game, and therefore easier to get pressure and the REAL difference was greater than the 7% difference, the 1% and 5.5%.

Or the differences could be, in real terms, less than the difference due to mitigating football factors.

In short, things lass than 10% or 15% are really hard to make definitive judgments on because football has so many moving parts.

First off the difference between pressure on 39% v. 32% of plays is as substantial. On their numbers, In the 2 games in question its a difference of 4 plays. I think any coach, if told that they could increase pressures by 7% by doing this or that, would not simply scoff at it. Or for that matter, to use a different number, if the Rams were told if you do x you would increase scoring by 7%, that would mean they would go from 28.9 points a game to just under 31 points a game, which would surpass the Eagles, who were first with 29. So yes it;s a substantial number in context.

But that's not that important.

I presented it as one among many such claims. That is, the claim being that Donald's play had a clear impact on the defense as a whole. The simplest response is to ask if that's correct--not the exact PFF numbers, but the fact. Does the Rams pressure increase with Donald playing v. not. Anyone who watched a lot of games ought to be prepared to answer that with a simple yes or no, whether they agree with PFF numbers or not...since the issue isn't PFF, it's Donald. So is it yes or no? I think the obvious answer is yes. Which is why Wade;s praise for Donald is not just empty hyperbole.


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2018 02:51PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

spagsbacker1111March 24, 2018 01:46PM

  I'll be honest

Ram_Ruler420March 24, 2018 01:50PM

  Re: I'll be honest

Ramsdude399March 24, 2018 01:59PM

  franchise tag him

Los Angeles Lenny291March 24, 2018 08:01PM

  Re: I'll be honest

zn439March 24, 2018 09:23PM

  Houston? Nm

RFIP268March 24, 2018 10:56PM

  Re: I'll be honest

Ramsdude285March 25, 2018 04:35AM

  I didn't say they were

zn275March 25, 2018 04:49AM

  Re: I didn't say they were

Ramsdude419March 25, 2018 04:55AM

  that's not all I said

zn267March 25, 2018 05:04AM

  Re: that's not all I said

Ramsdude270March 25, 2018 05:15AM

  Re: that's not all I said

zn262March 25, 2018 05:24AM

  Re: that's not all I said

Ramsdude257March 25, 2018 05:31AM

  Re: so the RAMS are low balling the players, or

VANRAM226March 25, 2018 04:29PM

  Re: I'll be honest

B64 Rams 72286March 25, 2018 05:49AM

  he's not the first one to do that and it's within the CBA rules

zn281March 25, 2018 06:49AM

  Re: he's not the first one to do that and it's within the CBA rules

B64 Rams 72255March 25, 2018 07:13AM

  Re: he's not the first one to do that and it's within the CBA rules

zn258March 25, 2018 07:15AM

  Re: he's not the first one to do that and it's within the CBA rules

B64 Rams 72255March 25, 2018 08:28AM

  okay

zn217March 25, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: okay

B64 Rams 72267March 25, 2018 08:40AM

  Re: okay

zn247March 25, 2018 09:29AM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

dzrams368March 24, 2018 02:02PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

Rams43458March 24, 2018 02:10PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

AlbaNY_Ram278March 24, 2018 02:28PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

SoCalRAMatic283March 24, 2018 03:37PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

dzrams255March 24, 2018 04:54PM

  Here's one

AlbaNY_Ram376March 24, 2018 05:36PM

  Re: That may not be correct...

dzrams294March 24, 2018 06:14PM

  Re: That may not be correct...

AlbaNY_Ram288March 24, 2018 06:33PM

  retraction from overthecap.com

AlbaNY_Ram469March 24, 2018 09:54PM

  Re: retraction from overthecap.com

VANRAM247March 25, 2018 06:24PM

  Re: retraction from overthecap.com

AlbaNY_Ram231March 26, 2018 12:56AM

  Re: thanks for the research...

dzrams168March 26, 2018 07:30AM

  I'd say DT is one of the FEW defensive positions I would pay top $ to

RFIP349March 25, 2018 02:44AM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

no name277March 24, 2018 04:27PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

dzrams282March 24, 2018 04:51PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

spagsbacker296March 24, 2018 04:58PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

dzrams247March 24, 2018 05:05PM

  The contradictions...

jemach286March 25, 2018 06:09AM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

no name251March 24, 2018 05:54PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

zn315March 24, 2018 05:56PM

  Re: Have you considered the downsides?

dzrams259March 24, 2018 06:17PM

  Oh, man! You guys have now touched the “third rail”...

Rams43358March 24, 2018 02:04PM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

Coy Bacon333March 24, 2018 02:14PM

  You'll likely start losing other players...

jemach338March 24, 2018 03:41PM

  Re: joyner's going to walk anyway

VANRAM284March 24, 2018 05:17PM

  Of course they are. That's the cap era, unlimited FA era

RockRam299March 25, 2018 02:11AM

  Re: & you cannot extend Tavon & AO...

spagsbacker251March 25, 2018 02:30AM

  please don't use the "qb money" routine, it's inaccurate

zn354March 24, 2018 04:03PM

  Re: don't follow this at all....

spagsbacker414March 24, 2018 04:36PM

  well I wasn't responding to an individual

zn456March 24, 2018 04:45PM

  Re: well I wasn't responding to an individual

VANRAM283March 24, 2018 05:24PM

  I'm not sure where you got that number from

zn427March 24, 2018 05:41PM

  Re: I'm not sure where you got that number from

VANRAM268March 24, 2018 07:31PM

  Re: I'm not sure where you got that number from

zn288March 24, 2018 08:24PM

  Re: Aaron Donald...Yes, you sign him.

oldschoolramfan224March 25, 2018 03:59PM

  Re: Aaron Donald...Yes, you sign him.

Rams43233March 25, 2018 04:04PM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

oldschoolramfan238March 25, 2018 04:22PM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

Rams43329March 25, 2018 04:25PM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

oldschoolramfan234March 25, 2018 06:44PM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

zn234March 25, 2018 07:06PM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

Rams43240March 25, 2018 07:13PM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

oldschoolramfan176March 26, 2018 05:56AM

  Re: Well 43, can you do this in an NFL contract?

Rams43170March 26, 2018 09:06AM

  Re: don't follow this at all....

Speedball89304March 24, 2018 05:08PM

  I see so many post on contract value that is dated...

jemach251March 25, 2018 05:53AM

  Re: we get that, that is why the Rams would do it...

spagsbacker251March 25, 2018 06:07AM

  Heard Pat Kirwan say you don't give DTs that kind of money

max331March 24, 2018 04:09PM

  Re: I heard him that day

Speed_Kills276March 25, 2018 04:05AM

  Like ol' Pat...

jemach240March 25, 2018 05:03AM

  Could be, but I'm still curious to hear his view on Donald

max446March 25, 2018 05:34AM

  Re: Pat Kirwan - Pete Carrolls biggest fan

B64 Rams 72263March 25, 2018 10:20AM

  Pat Kirwan also voted Donald NFL MVP...

Ramsfsninmd176March 26, 2018 07:43AM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

BeachBoy267March 24, 2018 04:17PM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

zn255March 24, 2018 04:19PM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

reggae271March 24, 2018 04:54PM

  some topics are so outrageous they should be deleted

reggae249March 24, 2018 05:11PM

  Re: some topics are so outrageous they should be deleted

zn281March 24, 2018 05:20PM

  Sign him!!!!!!!!!!!! Extend him!!!!!!!!!!!

ferragamo79247March 24, 2018 06:20PM

  Re: Sign him!!!!!!!!!!!! Extend him!!!!!!!!!!!

oldschoolramfan176March 26, 2018 07:37AM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

k3283March 24, 2018 10:38PM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

spagsbacker253March 25, 2018 02:31AM

  here's the problem

zn249March 25, 2018 03:43AM

  Re: i do not think this is a thing....

spagsbacker273March 25, 2018 04:23AM

  oh it absolutely is.

zn263March 25, 2018 04:31AM

  Re: overstatement....

spagsbacker247March 25, 2018 04:40AM

  that cuts both ways..

zn266March 25, 2018 05:08AM

  Re: oh it absolutely is.

Ramsdude254March 25, 2018 04:40AM

  Re: here's the problem

Rams43242March 25, 2018 08:21AM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

Rams43254March 25, 2018 08:03AM

  I don't think it's going to happen anyway

RockRam319March 25, 2018 02:03AM

  Suh is a bad comparison and I don;t know why people keep making it

zn283March 25, 2018 03:39AM

  Re: Suh is a bad comparison and I don;t know why people keep making it

Rams43269March 25, 2018 09:04AM

  North of $20 million doesn't bother me...

jemach231March 25, 2018 09:10AM

  Re: Suh is a bad comparison and I don;t know why people keep making it

Ramsdude368March 25, 2018 09:25AM

  Re: Suh is a bad comparison and I don;t know why people keep making it

zn252March 25, 2018 10:26AM

  Personal subjectivity is not fact.

RockRam271March 25, 2018 10:36AM

  Re: Personal subjectivity is not fact.

Speedball89242March 25, 2018 11:22AM

  but fact IS fact

zn250March 25, 2018 11:24AM

  Re: but fact IS fact

Rams43361March 25, 2018 12:10PM

  Re: Personal subjectivity is not fact.

dzrams288March 25, 2018 01:44PM

  +1 (nm)

zn225March 25, 2018 02:55PM

  One reason PFF is dubious

Blue and Gold265March 25, 2018 02:10PM

  simple

zn242March 25, 2018 02:50PM

  It wasn't about you.

Blue and Gold316March 25, 2018 03:02PM

  ??? didn't say it was

zn236March 25, 2018 03:09PM

  So?

Blue and Gold456March 25, 2018 03:11PM

  Re: So?

zn248March 25, 2018 03:17PM

  You mean I have your permission?

Blue and Gold225March 25, 2018 03:30PM

  lol

zn245March 25, 2018 04:03PM

  exactly nm

joram260March 25, 2018 02:28AM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

reggae240March 25, 2018 11:18AM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

Rams43219March 25, 2018 12:14PM

  Re: anyone else prefer NOT extending AD?

reggae702March 25, 2018 12:28PM

  I don't get this.

RFL310March 25, 2018 11:28AM

  Re: I don't get this.

Ramsdude280March 25, 2018 12:27PM

  You're wrong

RamUK356March 25, 2018 02:26PM

  Re: You're wrong

zn266March 25, 2018 03:12PM