December 29, 2017 05:39AM
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GreatRamNTheSky
He didn't understand offense.

Well you're not responding to my main point.

The Rams had a series of decisive injuries on the OL and then had to go with inexperienced starters.

They also had a starting caliber qb only 1 and 1/2 seasons.

That means from 2012-15 they have both a relatively healthy, veteran OL AND a starting caliber qb in 15 of 64 games.

Now if you can give me examples of coaches who according to you DID understand offense and also won under those conditions, I will say you have a point.

If you can't name examples it's because (as we would logically expect) nobody does well under those conditions. It just plain stands to reason that the 2012-15 Rams would have done better if they didn't have to deal with that stuff. I don't know HOW MUCH better, but they would have done better. You still might not have liked it, but it would have been better...I mean that's just basic everyday football understanding. We KNOW that kind of thing has an effect.

So to me unless you're factoring in those conditions, you don't have a full enough analysis. You're leaving out one the single most significant things. It's like trying to explain the disaster at Pearl Harbor without mentioning the Japanese attack.

But on the other hand, my bet is that if the Rams this year lost Whitworth, Saffold, Sullivan, and Goff and Mannion, and were starting an injury replacement OL along with a #2 caliber qb, we would all be pointing out that we couldn't expect McVay to do as well under those conditions.

Again that just stands to reason.


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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/29/2017 05:55AM by zn.
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  Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

RamUK795December 28, 2017 01:00PM

  Re: Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

MamaRAMa290December 28, 2017 01:06PM

  very revealing that players were vocal about McVay

max279December 28, 2017 02:02PM

  Re: Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

zn263December 28, 2017 02:22PM

  Re: Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

MamaRAMa323December 28, 2017 02:34PM

  totally agree Mama

max198December 28, 2017 03:09PM

  Terrific post

Speedball89205December 28, 2017 03:20PM

  enh

zn251December 28, 2017 03:27PM

  I get your call for even-handedness concerning Fisher, but

RockRam228December 29, 2017 02:11AM

  it;s simple

zn223December 29, 2017 03:28AM

  Zn, implications matter. You don't need "direct evidence"

RockRam213December 29, 2017 03:50AM

  no "implications" are subjective

zn223December 29, 2017 04:10AM

  No they're not

9er8er149December 29, 2017 11:00AM

  Well, you know that.......

NewMexicoRam251December 29, 2017 02:54AM

  Re: Well, you know that.......

Ram Fan Teacher159December 29, 2017 04:07AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

dzrams326December 29, 2017 06:31AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn197December 29, 2017 06:36AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

dzrams320December 29, 2017 07:00AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn176December 29, 2017 07:07AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

RamsFanSinceLA174December 29, 2017 07:13AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn151December 29, 2017 07:26AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

RamsFanSinceLA150December 29, 2017 07:28AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn182December 29, 2017 07:37AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

RamsFanSinceLA152December 29, 2017 08:24AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

dzrams184December 29, 2017 07:25AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn173December 29, 2017 07:32AM

  RE: Fair enough...

dzrams139December 29, 2017 08:34AM

  Re: RE: Fair enough...

zn189December 29, 2017 10:19AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

Ram Fan Teacher164December 29, 2017 07:29AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn162December 29, 2017 07:43AM

  Here's what the players know and what they said...

max166December 29, 2017 07:03AM

  Re: Here's what the players know and what they said...

zn164December 29, 2017 07:11AM

  Basically, Fisher is acknowledging he's a lousy HC

six2stack166December 29, 2017 07:19AM

  naw

zn179December 29, 2017 07:23AM

  In my opinion

stlramz188December 28, 2017 03:02PM

  Jeff seems to forget the roster talent he was given

promomasterj215December 28, 2017 03:13PM

  He's wanting credit for building the roster; so yes.

RockRam194December 29, 2017 01:05AM

  I can give you SEVERAL names

zn220December 29, 2017 04:07AM

  You apparently didn't read the post.

RockRam190December 29, 2017 04:47AM

  yes I did and here's how I responded

zn184December 29, 2017 05:19AM

  Here is Jeff Fisher's major downfall ZN

GreatRamNTheSky198December 29, 2017 05:29AM

  Re: Here is Jeff Fisher's major downfall ZN

zn205December 29, 2017 05:39AM

  Anyone who promotes Scott Boras as the OC

GreatRamNTheSky300December 29, 2017 06:36AM

  still not addressing what I said

zn191December 29, 2017 06:53AM

  Re: Here is Jeff Fisher's major downfall ZN

GreatRamNTheSky189December 29, 2017 06:45AM

  and here's what you don't account for in 2016

zn212December 29, 2017 06:57AM

  Perfect Rock. zn is a

RAMSINCE ARNETT295December 29, 2017 05:38AM

  Please stop

Coy Bacon243December 29, 2017 05:54AM

  Re: Perfect Rock. zn is a

waterfield379December 29, 2017 07:49AM

  Give Fisher where credit where credit is due

Rams_81194December 29, 2017 06:34AM

  again: Snead or Fisher- who did the drafting

ferragamo79182December 29, 2017 08:06AM

  we KNOW who did the drafting

zn214December 29, 2017 08:21AM

  Fisher is a good personnel guy, but a bad coach - Fair?

promomasterj369December 29, 2017 08:08AM

  The level of hate for Fisher is astounding

Blue and Gold186December 29, 2017 07:23AM

  Re: The level of hate for Fisher is astounding

waterfield171December 29, 2017 07:57AM

  Re: I tend to agree with this

Speed_Kills298December 29, 2017 08:21AM

  He left us in good shape because he left

David Deacon164December 29, 2017 11:10AM