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we KNOW who did the drafting

December 29, 2017 08:21AM
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ferragamo79
I read posts how Snead is one of the top executives for building the team and other times Fisher other times McVay

None of this is a mystery. The record on this is long and transparent. Since their process is no different with McVay than with Fisher, that's 6 solid years of very detailed insight. It includes interviews and press conferences with Fisher, Snead, Demoff, and McVay. It includes a few outside reporters who were embedded in the process and wrote at length about it. If I included all those sources here would take me days to post it all.

The Rams draft always worked this way, with Fisher and with McVay. When it was time the entire personnel staff plus coaches would draw up a ranked board. They worked through consensus to rank the board and then stuck to the board on draft day. Snead is not an overlord GM---his job is to be chief personnel advisor to the head coach. He sees himself as finding out what kinds of players the head coach wants and needs to run the offensive and defensive systems. So his drafts will always be tilted that way---Snead is trying to find what Fisher/Wms want at DB and what McVay wants at TE etc. He has a huge input because the personnel people scout 12 months a year while the coaches only scout 1 month a year. So it has been run the same way from 2012-16 when Fisher had contractually stipulated final say, and it worked the same way when Snead had contractually stipulated final say (which happened with the McVay hire).

That means the coaches (Fisher and McVay) put their stamp on a draft, and will often be outspoken and take the lead when it comes to ranking the 1st guy or 2 on the board that they can take. But as the draft goes through the rounds they have to rely more on the personnel people because scouts know more about which guard to take in round 5 etc.

If Snead was not good at his job then the drafts would suffer. He knows more about all the players they look at. If the head coach doesn't have strong ideas it doesnt work either. Plus, as Fisher said directly, if when they are ranking players anyone who has a major say objects, that player is taken off the board. So Fisher was never going to take a player Snead didn't like.

It was then, and is now, collaborative.

So when Fisher says he picked this team he's right. He would have direct strong views on the 1st pick and in the lower rounds. the GM would have to be very in tune with the kind of player that fit what the coaches were looking for.

And Snead has heavy involvement, which includes of course finding guys that fit what the coaches wanted.

You are trying to imply someone was dishonest about how they attributed credit. To me that just means you never quite fully listened to what was said about the drafting process.

It wouldn't have worked if either side of the collaboration---Fisher/McVay, Snead--was deficient.

There was no dishonesty. Just a lack of understanding between us about what was really said.


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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/29/2017 08:26AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

RamUK791December 28, 2017 01:00PM

  Re: Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

MamaRAMa288December 28, 2017 01:06PM

  very revealing that players were vocal about McVay

max278December 28, 2017 02:02PM

  Re: Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

zn261December 28, 2017 02:22PM

  Re: Is Fisher really claiming the credit?

MamaRAMa321December 28, 2017 02:34PM

  totally agree Mama

max198December 28, 2017 03:09PM

  Terrific post

Speedball89203December 28, 2017 03:20PM

  enh

zn251December 28, 2017 03:27PM

  I get your call for even-handedness concerning Fisher, but

RockRam225December 29, 2017 02:11AM

  it;s simple

zn221December 29, 2017 03:28AM

  Zn, implications matter. You don't need "direct evidence"

RockRam211December 29, 2017 03:50AM

  no "implications" are subjective

zn220December 29, 2017 04:10AM

  No they're not

9er8er147December 29, 2017 11:00AM

  Well, you know that.......

NewMexicoRam250December 29, 2017 02:54AM

  Re: Well, you know that.......

Ram Fan Teacher158December 29, 2017 04:07AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

dzrams324December 29, 2017 06:31AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn193December 29, 2017 06:36AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

dzrams319December 29, 2017 07:00AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn176December 29, 2017 07:07AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

RamsFanSinceLA173December 29, 2017 07:13AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn150December 29, 2017 07:26AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

RamsFanSinceLA149December 29, 2017 07:28AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn181December 29, 2017 07:37AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

RamsFanSinceLA150December 29, 2017 08:24AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

dzrams182December 29, 2017 07:25AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn172December 29, 2017 07:32AM

  RE: Fair enough...

dzrams137December 29, 2017 08:34AM

  Re: RE: Fair enough...

zn186December 29, 2017 10:19AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

Ram Fan Teacher164December 29, 2017 07:29AM

  Re: I doubt this part...

zn161December 29, 2017 07:43AM

  Here's what the players know and what they said...

max164December 29, 2017 07:03AM

  Re: Here's what the players know and what they said...

zn161December 29, 2017 07:11AM

  Basically, Fisher is acknowledging he's a lousy HC

six2stack164December 29, 2017 07:19AM

  naw

zn177December 29, 2017 07:23AM

  In my opinion

stlramz186December 28, 2017 03:02PM

  Jeff seems to forget the roster talent he was given

promomasterj212December 28, 2017 03:13PM

  He's wanting credit for building the roster; so yes.

RockRam193December 29, 2017 01:05AM

  I can give you SEVERAL names

zn218December 29, 2017 04:07AM

  You apparently didn't read the post.

RockRam189December 29, 2017 04:47AM

  yes I did and here's how I responded

zn183December 29, 2017 05:19AM

  Here is Jeff Fisher's major downfall ZN

GreatRamNTheSky196December 29, 2017 05:29AM

  Re: Here is Jeff Fisher's major downfall ZN

zn204December 29, 2017 05:39AM

  Anyone who promotes Scott Boras as the OC

GreatRamNTheSky298December 29, 2017 06:36AM

  still not addressing what I said

zn189December 29, 2017 06:53AM

  Re: Here is Jeff Fisher's major downfall ZN

GreatRamNTheSky186December 29, 2017 06:45AM

  and here's what you don't account for in 2016

zn210December 29, 2017 06:57AM

  Perfect Rock. zn is a

RAMSINCE ARNETT293December 29, 2017 05:38AM

  Please stop

Coy Bacon241December 29, 2017 05:54AM

  Re: Perfect Rock. zn is a

waterfield373December 29, 2017 07:49AM

  Give Fisher where credit where credit is due

Rams_81191December 29, 2017 06:34AM

  again: Snead or Fisher- who did the drafting

ferragamo79181December 29, 2017 08:06AM

  we KNOW who did the drafting

zn212December 29, 2017 08:21AM

  Fisher is a good personnel guy, but a bad coach - Fair?

promomasterj367December 29, 2017 08:08AM

  The level of hate for Fisher is astounding

Blue and Gold185December 29, 2017 07:23AM

  Re: The level of hate for Fisher is astounding

waterfield169December 29, 2017 07:57AM

  Re: I tend to agree with this

Speed_Kills298December 29, 2017 08:21AM

  He left us in good shape because he left

David Deacon162December 29, 2017 11:10AM