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I think we all like a Fisher-type defense. I like a Saleh/Ryans

February 02, 2023 11:52AM
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Ramstien
53, I have to give you credit for your knowledge when it comes to the facts. I have always disliked the prevent defense because it is as painful as getting pecked to death by chickens. The way I see it McVay's inability to run his offense the way he desires has been more of a factor in the Rams losing then Morris' soft zone defense.

Fisher--4 man type. When Rams got Spags I liked it. He came from Giants--they had great defense he was the hot coach like DeMeco Ryans was. We saw what happened as head coach. So he's fired after 2011 and goes to 2012--and the players sounded like some fans here---

So, Spags had that aggressive style, more like people want here--but the point is those can fail, too.
There is no secret sauce that I am aware of. All I want to convey is that just because we don't like
it does not mean it is a failure.

Some go beyond not liking it and exaggerate trying to prove it is bad when it is not. That's the clash.

If they want to talk philosophy, fine. I vote for the guy that the Saints just fired to come in if Morris goes to Indy
Start with a Carroll based scheme - like 49ers/Jets run

What happens
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[profootballtalk.nbcsports.com]
One Saints player isn’t on board with Steve Spagnuolo
Posted by Josh Alper on January 2, 2013, 9:35 AM EST


The Saints defense was a mess all season, continuing a trend that started in 2011 and showing very little improvement over the course of Steve Spagnuolo’s first season as coordinator.

There’s been pretty widespread support in New Orleans for Spagnuolo in the wake of the end of the season, but Larry Holder of the New Orleans Times-Picayune spoke to one member of the Saints defense who was less enamored with the work Spagnuolo did this year. We don’t know the identity of the player, but he gave a “resounding” yes when asked if Spagnuolo should be relieved of his duties.

“To give up what we gave up can’t be all talent. Look at where his units (have) been ranked before. I think one top 10? Players have no say in anything,” the player said. “It was (a) complete opposite from before where it was a simple D that players had lot of control and say. We couldn’t suggest (expletive)…Nothing ever changed. It was his way only. Don’t even get me started on lack (of) ability to adjust during games. Bad, bad, bad.”

The Saints ranked last in total defense and were at or near the bottom in most metrics over the course of the season. The anonymous player went on to say that the problems went beyond on-field results with a coach who made it hard to put on a “supportive, everything’s-going-to-be-OK face.”

Trust me all the guys were being politically correct this season when answering questions. It’s bad,” the player said. “He does have that good-guy persona, but he is a control freak and treats people like crap. (Spagnuolo has) no patience and zero personality. (He) has a way of pissing players and our defensive coaches off with how he says and does things. (I) think it’s even harder after having (former defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams), who guys enjoyed.”

Spagnuolo doesn’t appear to be in danger of being fired at this point, although that’s certainly a scathing review of his work. The Saints had plenty of obstacles to overcome heading into the season, but the defense was bad enough that the season might have gone in a pretty similar direction without all the chaos related to the bounty suspensions. Spagnuolo will have to make serious improvements in Year Two if he’s going to make it to a third year.
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  Here are the facts Attachments

JimYoungblood531078February 02, 2023 06:26AM

  Re: Here are the facts

joram194February 02, 2023 06:41AM

  A lot of truth in what you say

JimYoungblood53172February 02, 2023 06:52AM

  Re: A lot of truth in what you say

joram136February 02, 2023 07:51AM

  Re: IMHO......There's times in a game when you can take a "chance" on defense.

oldschoolramfan79February 04, 2023 07:11AM

  Sure, we'd all like to see that. Attachments

JimYoungblood53185February 04, 2023 07:49AM

  Where would you find this stat?

JamesJM88February 04, 2023 08:24AM

  I posted about this a while ago James

Ramsdude145February 04, 2023 08:35AM

  Time of possesion? Attachments

JimYoungblood53110February 04, 2023 10:27AM

  Okay, now, just think about this and tell me what you think

JimYoungblood53165February 04, 2023 10:59AM

  Re: Okay, now, just think about this and tell me what you think

h2omelonhead91February 04, 2023 11:24AM

  I don't think TOP, at least the way it's kept....

JamesJM143February 04, 2023 12:12PM

  I think what you may be wanting is number of plays faced

JimYoungblood53174February 04, 2023 12:24PM

  My preference . . .

JimYoungblood5382February 04, 2023 08:19AM

  why not bring some new blood in?

joram200February 05, 2023 03:13PM

  Stats are useful up to a point…

Rams43147February 02, 2023 06:48AM

  I never post stats out of context

JimYoungblood53152February 02, 2023 07:30AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

Rams43137February 02, 2023 08:46AM

  And THAT is out of context and meaningless

JimYoungblood53126February 02, 2023 10:31AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

h2omelonhead99February 02, 2023 10:36AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

Rams43141February 02, 2023 11:18AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

h2omelonhead92February 02, 2023 11:25AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

Rams4397February 02, 2023 03:09PM

  My point is moot

JimYoungblood53107February 02, 2023 11:27AM

  Re: My point is moot

h2omelonhead110February 02, 2023 12:06PM

  Have watched Philly a lot

JimYoungblood53100February 02, 2023 12:20PM

  Re: Have watched Philly a lot

h2omelonhead119February 02, 2023 12:31PM

  No, you got me there

JimYoungblood53266February 02, 2023 12:38PM

  Re: No, you got me there

h2omelonhead154February 02, 2023 01:26PM

  KC almost didn't beat Cincy

NewMexicoRam174February 02, 2023 01:47PM

  Re: KC almost didn't beat Cincy

h2omelonhead50February 06, 2023 09:14AM

  A lot of good work and research but....

Ramgator194February 02, 2023 06:56AM

  Well, all of us would.

JimYoungblood53234February 02, 2023 06:59AM

  Thanks for doing the research

NewMexicoRam170February 02, 2023 08:29AM

  Re: Thanks for doing the research

Rams43108February 02, 2023 08:48AM

  Agree with both of you!

Ramsdude158February 02, 2023 09:02AM

  Wow, the sad attempt at a catch phrase are really getting old

promomasterj107February 02, 2023 09:09AM

  Lol...you sure told me!!!

Ramsdude110February 02, 2023 09:19AM

  Paralysis by overanalysis

merlin227February 02, 2023 08:44AM

  Re: Paralysis by overanalysis

Rams43216February 02, 2023 08:49AM

  Again, agree with BOTH pf you. Glad you spoke up merlin!

Ramsdude116February 02, 2023 09:12AM

  Didn't see this until now

JimYoungblood5379February 04, 2023 11:57AM

  Re: Didn't see this until now

merlin192February 04, 2023 01:49PM

  Agree with all that merlin! Well said!

Ramsdude71February 04, 2023 02:02PM

  Re: Agree with all that merlin! Well said!

merlin184February 05, 2023 01:29PM

  It is a wait and see game Attachments

JimYoungblood53146February 04, 2023 02:12PM

  How's this for context...the offense

promomasterj134February 02, 2023 09:06AM

  Really JY53?

3030118February 02, 2023 10:41AM

  Easy replies. Low hanging fruit, really

JimYoungblood5397February 02, 2023 11:06AM

  Also, and I could be wrong on this---looked it up

JimYoungblood53192February 02, 2023 11:38AM

  Re: Really JY53?

Rams43173February 02, 2023 11:21AM

  Out of context stats

JimYoungblood53172February 02, 2023 11:14AM

  Re: Out of context stats

Ramstien115February 02, 2023 11:43AM

  I think we all like a Fisher-type defense. I like a Saleh/Ryans

JimYoungblood5384February 02, 2023 11:52AM

  Re: Here are the facts

Old Goat131February 02, 2023 12:33PM

  Re: Here are the facts

Rams43276February 02, 2023 03:36PM

  The difference is your take is fair and reasonable

JimYoungblood53203February 02, 2023 04:03PM

  Re: The difference is your take is fair and reasonable unless you continue to disagree with me!

Ramsdude125February 03, 2023 05:04AM

  Re: The difference is your take is fair and reasonable unless you continue to disagree with me!

Rams43129February 03, 2023 06:23AM

  Re: The difference is your take is fair and reasonable unless you continue to disagree with me! Attachments

JimYoungblood53243February 03, 2023 10:16AM

  This is only for info Attachments

JimYoungblood5395February 03, 2023 02:41PM

  Come 53, that

Stafford9151February 03, 2023 04:01PM

  Come 53, that is like saying the Chinese Spy Balloon

Stafford9228February 03, 2023 04:01PM

  Why was my comment removed?

Ram4life198February 03, 2023 06:10PM

  I always appreciate you knowledge and take on things

David Deacon184February 04, 2023 04:38AM

  Thanks

JimYoungblood53146February 04, 2023 01:06PM

  Re: Thanks

Ramsdude87February 04, 2023 01:26PM

  Yep Attachments

JimYoungblood53190February 04, 2023 01:51PM