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Re: Okay, now, just think about this and tell me what you think

February 04, 2023 11:24AM
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JimYoungblood53
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JamesJM
(especially this last season)

Okay, this last season Rams play softest and Chiefs 2nd "hardest"

Chiefs had a time of possession of 29:56
Rams had time of possession of 29:39

I don't know what it means. We were awful and they are in Super Bowl.
The play up, we play back.

17 seconds per game difference . . . a play a game? a play every 2 games?

I don't know.

It means that stats like TOP and YPG don't mean squat to some coaches.
I keep hearing this alot from Offensive Minded HCs.
Ones I have talked too seem to fall into 2 different camps. (It's more than 2, but I am over-simplifying for easier understanding).

Camp 1: My offense will score TDs. # Possessions and # TDs matter. High TD per possession rate. Defense just needs to limit big plays and not give up TDs. Offense will score and create enough of a gap that in the second half, the other team's offense will press and be more 1 dimensional. Making it easier for the defense to get stops and turnovers. Which then gives possession to the offense to score more TDs.

Coaches here, I find, tend to be perfectionists and optimists. They believe that any offense, when executed correctly, is unstoppable. And they project that to their opponents as well. I'd argue they discount the impact of human error more. McVay would be here. I think if you look in the SoCal College area, Chip Kelly would be here.

Camp 2: Starts the same.. my offense will score TDs, High TD per possession rates. But play defense aggressively. Jump routes, heavy blitz packages, more big plays given up. Offense can equalize if defense gives up a big play. Both Camp 1 and Camp 2 are relying on a few defensive stops to give the offense a chance of separation. Not, going to stop every possession.

Coaches here I find tend to be highly thorough, but not always seeking to be perfectionists. They are more cynical and arguably "more realists" as they believe more in human error messing things up. This is where Andy Reid would arguably fit in... and then maybe Lincoln Riley if you are looking at SoCal colleges.

Neither is right or wrong.. the main commonalities are that they believe their offense can score and they just need the defense to make a few stops (not a stop every possession). How they achieve that is just different.
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  Here are the facts Attachments

JimYoungblood531076February 02, 2023 06:26AM

  Re: Here are the facts

joram191February 02, 2023 06:41AM

  A lot of truth in what you say

JimYoungblood53168February 02, 2023 06:52AM

  Re: A lot of truth in what you say

joram132February 02, 2023 07:51AM

  Re: IMHO......There's times in a game when you can take a "chance" on defense.

oldschoolramfan73February 04, 2023 07:11AM

  Sure, we'd all like to see that. Attachments

JimYoungblood53181February 04, 2023 07:49AM

  Where would you find this stat?

JamesJM83February 04, 2023 08:24AM

  I posted about this a while ago James

Ramsdude141February 04, 2023 08:35AM

  Time of possesion? Attachments

JimYoungblood53105February 04, 2023 10:27AM

  Okay, now, just think about this and tell me what you think

JimYoungblood53161February 04, 2023 10:59AM

  Re: Okay, now, just think about this and tell me what you think

h2omelonhead85February 04, 2023 11:24AM

  I don't think TOP, at least the way it's kept....

JamesJM139February 04, 2023 12:12PM

  I think what you may be wanting is number of plays faced

JimYoungblood53166February 04, 2023 12:24PM

  My preference . . .

JimYoungblood5378February 04, 2023 08:19AM

  why not bring some new blood in?

joram197February 05, 2023 03:13PM

  Stats are useful up to a point…

Rams43143February 02, 2023 06:48AM

  I never post stats out of context

JimYoungblood53146February 02, 2023 07:30AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

Rams43131February 02, 2023 08:46AM

  And THAT is out of context and meaningless

JimYoungblood53119February 02, 2023 10:31AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

h2omelonhead95February 02, 2023 10:36AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

Rams43137February 02, 2023 11:18AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

h2omelonhead88February 02, 2023 11:25AM

  Re: I never post stats out of context

Rams4394February 02, 2023 03:09PM

  My point is moot

JimYoungblood53102February 02, 2023 11:27AM

  Re: My point is moot

h2omelonhead105February 02, 2023 12:06PM

  Have watched Philly a lot

JimYoungblood5394February 02, 2023 12:20PM

  Re: Have watched Philly a lot

h2omelonhead114February 02, 2023 12:31PM

  No, you got me there

JimYoungblood53261February 02, 2023 12:38PM

  Re: No, you got me there

h2omelonhead148February 02, 2023 01:26PM

  KC almost didn't beat Cincy

NewMexicoRam170February 02, 2023 01:47PM

  Re: KC almost didn't beat Cincy

h2omelonhead44February 06, 2023 09:14AM

  A lot of good work and research but....

Ramgator190February 02, 2023 06:56AM

  Well, all of us would.

JimYoungblood53228February 02, 2023 06:59AM

  Thanks for doing the research

NewMexicoRam167February 02, 2023 08:29AM

  Re: Thanks for doing the research

Rams43102February 02, 2023 08:48AM

  Agree with both of you!

Ramsdude153February 02, 2023 09:02AM

  Wow, the sad attempt at a catch phrase are really getting old

promomasterj104February 02, 2023 09:09AM

  Lol...you sure told me!!!

Ramsdude105February 02, 2023 09:19AM

  Paralysis by overanalysis

merlin224February 02, 2023 08:44AM

  Re: Paralysis by overanalysis

Rams43210February 02, 2023 08:49AM

  Again, agree with BOTH pf you. Glad you spoke up merlin!

Ramsdude111February 02, 2023 09:12AM

  Didn't see this until now

JimYoungblood5374February 04, 2023 11:57AM

  Re: Didn't see this until now

merlin188February 04, 2023 01:49PM

  Agree with all that merlin! Well said!

Ramsdude67February 04, 2023 02:02PM

  Re: Agree with all that merlin! Well said!

merlin179February 05, 2023 01:29PM

  It is a wait and see game Attachments

JimYoungblood53140February 04, 2023 02:12PM

  How's this for context...the offense

promomasterj130February 02, 2023 09:06AM

  Really JY53?

3030113February 02, 2023 10:41AM

  Easy replies. Low hanging fruit, really

JimYoungblood5392February 02, 2023 11:06AM

  Also, and I could be wrong on this---looked it up

JimYoungblood53188February 02, 2023 11:38AM

  Re: Really JY53?

Rams43169February 02, 2023 11:21AM

  Out of context stats

JimYoungblood53165February 02, 2023 11:14AM

  Re: Out of context stats

Ramstien109February 02, 2023 11:43AM

  I think we all like a Fisher-type defense. I like a Saleh/Ryans

JimYoungblood5380February 02, 2023 11:52AM

  Re: Here are the facts

Old Goat127February 02, 2023 12:33PM

  Re: Here are the facts

Rams43265February 02, 2023 03:36PM

  The difference is your take is fair and reasonable

JimYoungblood53198February 02, 2023 04:03PM

  Re: The difference is your take is fair and reasonable unless you continue to disagree with me!

Ramsdude122February 03, 2023 05:04AM

  Re: The difference is your take is fair and reasonable unless you continue to disagree with me!

Rams43123February 03, 2023 06:23AM

  Re: The difference is your take is fair and reasonable unless you continue to disagree with me! Attachments

JimYoungblood53238February 03, 2023 10:16AM

  This is only for info Attachments

JimYoungblood5389February 03, 2023 02:41PM

  Come 53, that

Stafford9147February 03, 2023 04:01PM

  Come 53, that is like saying the Chinese Spy Balloon

Stafford9222February 03, 2023 04:01PM

  Why was my comment removed?

Ram4life193February 03, 2023 06:10PM

  I always appreciate you knowledge and take on things

David Deacon182February 04, 2023 04:38AM

  Thanks

JimYoungblood53141February 04, 2023 01:06PM

  Re: Thanks

Ramsdude81February 04, 2023 01:26PM

  Yep Attachments

JimYoungblood53186February 04, 2023 01:51PM