QuoteCeeZar From what we can surmise, and that ain't much, I'd think $20M is the floor and I suspect the Rams are offering at least that much. IMHO, depending on how the deal is structured, I think it could be reasonable to go as high as $24M/year - crazy, right!!.... I agree with you on the reasonable high of $24M. I would hope the Rams are offering at least $20M but I have my doubts. Thatby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotespagsbacker I just cannot get on board with ignoring the fact we are bickering between $20 million per year and $23 million per year. The amount of $ is absurd, and anyone who denies this should reconsider. If it is a good situation, and a sh*tload of $, that should be a priority. By bleeding a team of every possible $, it will make absolutely no difference in their life, AND IT will make itby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar If the Rams and AD can't come to terms and the Rams don't tag him, it would amount to malpractice. The tag for DT is what it is, the Rams have no control over it. It's not like the Rams will say - "hey we can't agree to a deal but we'll pay you the tag +$3M so your feelings don't get hurt". The emotional "low-ball" rhetoric sounds more like political posturing oby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotezn QuoteRampage2K- The sooner the agent figures this simple fact out the sooner the deal will get done. And you can bet the agents understand this better than some PFT reporter. If Donald approaches a situation where the Rams would tag him for 2 years---and the tag is a lowball compared to his market worth--then he can just refuse to sign and demand a trade. I cby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams Quotespagsbacker and most everyone else suspects, and has been reported, which is that the Rams are and have put competitive offers on the table and are not in fact lowballing him. But as you say, nobody really knows except those in the room. go rams I guess it depends on how you define the word lowball. My definition is: if someone is clearly the best, and yby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotespagsbacker and most everyone else suspects, and has been reported, which is that the Rams are and have put competitive offers on the table and are not in fact lowballing him. But as you say, nobody really knows except those in the room. go rams I guess it depends on how you define the word lowball. My definition is: if someone is clearly the best, and you offer something substantiby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCraigMatson Its just not wise to depend upon him being able to hold up physically. U can't say how many of those snaps he was playing hurt can you. He and Joyner are going to be the most likely persons an offensive coordinator are going to try to expose in a matchup. Just telling it like I see it. Barron vs a guard or TE or a agile or brutish RB is a mismatch unless he's shooting tby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCraigMatson But they Can't put too many chips in in on his total contribution. Why not? He missed 2 full games last year and most of a 3rd game. In all of the other games, he usually played anywhere between 90-100% of the snaps. In 2016, he didn't miss any games and played in 99.72% of the snaps. These numbers show that this Barron being injured a lot thing is way overblown.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamBill I'm glad they didn't pay Watkins or TruJ the money they ended up getting on the open market. I think that's smart...they didn't think they were worth it and I agree. JJ is a different case. They had only one tag and they used it on TruJ. Once they did that, JJ was gone because they couldn't afford 2 CB's getting franchise level dollars. The mistake was picking TruJ over JJ...whby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
There's that phrase "among the best" again and here it means ninth. It definitely doesn't mean THE best. FWIW, I disagree with PFF. I think the Rams have better than the 9th most talent.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamBill Neither JJ, TruJ, or Watkins are on Donald's level. Donald is truly elite. Those guys are not. There were issues with all of them. They made a mistake by keeping TruJ over JJ, but TruJ isn't near to being elite. JJ is a better player but there is risks associated with him that would make you hesitant to give him elite money. Watkins still has his injury questions and for whatby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 It will certainly be interesting to finally learn what the final terms will be. I’m about done talking and speculating on this topic. I will close by reminding that AD’s side is over a barrel. If he fails to sign something before this season, he will lose far more than he can ever recoup. He doesn’t have to like it, but he does need to accept it and deal with it. Both sides cby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 I’d like to think that AD could see the bigger picture beyond just the dollars. If he can’t, so be it. I’m on record as recommending $110 million over 5 years, $70 million guaranteed. No opt out type crap. That should be enough to satisfy all of AD’s needs financially as well as giving him the “respect” some feel he craves. If that’s not enough for him then I would recommendby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteno name Quotespagsbacker Goff didnt get him the ball..instead he preferred forcing throws to Kupp regardless of coverage. Sammy blocked like his hair was on fire and was open on plenty of routes which Goff either missed or ignored. Come on man. He said himself that he didn't get the play book. There is a reason why Goff felt more comfortable with almost everyone else. There is a reasonby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotespagsbacker Goff didnt get him the ball..instead he preferred forcing throws to Kupp regardless of coverage. Sammy blocked like his hair was on fire and was open on plenty of routes which Goff either missed or ignored. So, backer, sounds like you think that the Rams should have extended Watkins. Am I reading you right? And at $16 million+ with $30 million guaranteed? Myseby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I get the position that he already has all of those things now. The 'bird in the hand' argument is a valid point. But you have to remember the context for my statement that if I was the player I'd look elsewhere. It was the context that the Rams are only willing to make him a top 5 highest paid defender. That would be insulting when you know you're the best. At that point, he wouldn't hby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I bet right now if AD was a free agent, he would have teams lining up to sign him. Among those teams would be several who have: great players great coaches great chance to win some SB rings I think it's fine to desire those things but if you're the best player why not have ALL of that AND have recognition and appreciation for being the best because you're paid as the best? IOW, wby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam Even the headline here gives away perhaps the biggest reason the Rams refused to pay Watkins $17 mil per. He's not a complete Receiver. I like Watkins and perhaps Reid has got his attention where apparently McVay couldn't. But I think we can all agree that Cooks is more the definition of a complete Receiver and it is why the Rams gave up a #1 for him and it is why he'll be arouby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax I have a hard time believing that if Donald was told the Rams have a deal on the table that makes him the highest paid defensive player in NFL history that he would sit out the season. That’s where this negotiation needs to start. Not “among” the highest paid defensive players, but we want to make him the highest paid defensive player cause that where he deserves to be. Demoff coby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Why should he accept being paid in the top 5 of D players when he has a strong argument that he is the best defensive player and an apparent future HOF'er after only 4 years in the league? If that was me I'd accept nothing less than being paid as the best, even if only for the respect, status, and recognition alone. Money is a form of recognition and appreciation. If I was by far the best empby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteVANRAM is actually a conflict of interest...because they do not have the players best interest at heart..they have theirs.. a flat rate would be easier ..quicker and more beneficial to team and player.. Agents get more if the player gets more. And so when the player gets more to you...that's against the players interests? (??) We like players because we know their faces aby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteVANRAM is actually a conflict of interest...because they do not have the players best interest at heart..they have theirs.. a flat rate would be easier ..quicker and more beneficial to team and player.. The players generally want the most money as do most of us common Joes. Even if they don't need it, they want it for respect and status. If I was an agent/attorney and I knew you werby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar NOBODY I've seen in this is suggesting any player negotiate without an agent... or any of the other stuff you appear to be imagining. Keep up the good work though :) Actually, the post I responded to was wishing for exactly that.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quote21Dog Quotedzrams If agents, unions, or any other profession that people sometimes have a negative view of such as attorneys were only about themselves, they would eventually cease to exist. Is that a bad thing? If you're a fan frustrated about a favorite player not signing quickly and cheaply, or you have some type of lingering resentment for those professions, than probably notby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar I think agents look out for their own best interests and their best interest is $$$...I'd be just as or more concerned with the agent steamrolling AD as I would the Rams. Maybe practically speaking, this happens some but it's still not comparable to what the team could do. An agent could take advantage of their client but there are legal protections in place to stop that from haby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteroman18 Agents are like unions....they are about themselves .....yes players get the money....but agents are IMO bad news....just as unions take money and funnel it into political pastures..... Have you read about these guys going after high school kids and actually ruining their chances of college...or about college guys losing scholarships....or their schools losing scholarships...and tby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteroman18 IF AD was really in the action I would think this would/could be done much faster then how it's going... I'm sure it would get done faster if the Rams were talking directly to AD. The Rams' professional negotiators would steamroll AD in the negotiations and possibly get him to sign something that wasn't in his best interests. It would be fast, but unfair. The players hiby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram I understand the questions about Barron's health but he has only missed 2 games in the past 3 years. As to his ability in run support I think you have underestimated his contributions. "According to Pro Football Focus, Barron has been the best run-stopping inside linebacker in the league. He’s recorded a run-stop rate of 11.5 percent, which is just ahead of Bobby Wagneby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteAlbaNY_Ram I also expect a lot out of the Rams defense in 2018 ... but I wonder why you credit the Rams with an 'already great' defense in light of the following: In 2017 the Rams defense was ... - 12th in points allowed at 20.6 points/game. (Vikings were #1 at 15.8) - 19th in yards allowed at 339.5 yards/game. (Vikings were again #1 at 275.9) - 18th in yards per play atby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemerlin Edge as well as the ILBs are going to need some dudes to step up. If that happens, then yeah it's definitely going to be an elite defense. But they're not there just yet. Secondary looks elite for sure. But I think we need to wait and see how the pieces fit at LB before we crown this unit. The LB's this year will be equal to or better than they were last year. IMO, the bby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com