QuoteRams43 Couple of things... 1) Stating that paying AD whatever he wants would cripple the Ram roster is an OPINION. One that I don’t necessarily agree with, btw. 2) Stating that every extra million paid to AD is a million that can’t be spent on other needed players is a FACT. 3) You’re greatly underestimating how much of the cap would be consumed by the top players. You stated abovby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach Not signing Watkins and trading away a #1 pick makes it a monumental bust in light of giving up a #2 the year before. Look for Cooks to be gone if Donald isn't signed and they tag Donald next year. Cooks and Donald are leverage for each other. Two players, one franchise tag.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotebigjimram21 AD wouldn't be getting 15 million because if he's sitting out ,it means he didn't sign the tag.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar I agree that there is a lot of behind the scenes discussions and that insiders know more than gets made public. Look at Harvey Weinstein as an example. Apparently it was an open secret in Hollywood that he was a sexual predator, but the general public didn't know a thing. Which is one reason to give credit to reports from guys like VB when they talk about what they hear are demands fby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePSJRam I think peters has far more balls thrown his way because teams will avoid talib. This allows peters the opportunity for a lot of impact. As the beneficiary of having talib on the other side, peters should get his hands on a lot of footballs this year. I voted for Peters. I think he will have the most measurable impact. If he get's lots of interceptions b/c teams are avoiding Talby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
You're better than that. The point there was that, agents know - and often better than teams - what the market for their guy is. So Donald's agent could very well know if a team would be willing to pay his price after trading for him. But you probably knew this...by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I play a little chess myself. It's only checkmate when you have no more moves. His biggest move would be refusal to play once his contract expires. His refusing to play and demanding a trade is a credible option if he thinks it would force the Rams into trading him to a team willing to pay what he's asking. And only he and his agent would know if there were any teams out there willingby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
In the meantime, they sabotage their chances of winning a SB and screw up their salary cap by having their highest, most talented player not on the field. Yeah...no. They're not doing that.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- You don’t have to be clairvoyant, you just have to listen to the reports. If you don’t think VB knows some inside info you are kidding yourself The estimate is based on a low offer of $18m per year that he passed on last year. Money that is long gone that he can’t make up. There was a discussion about it on Sirius a couple months ago with a former GM and they talked abouby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams I know if he sits he doesn't get paid. He knows that, the whole world knows that. Where did I say it's not ok for the Rams to play hardball? Most of you are already wanting to focus on the Rams hardball options. I'm simply giving you AD's one option. No one knows how hardcore he'll be about going through with it so let's not get into speby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach and those LBs...they will be exposed. FWIW...Suh is no Donald. I think people are underestimating his impact. I don't know why. Last year we saw the D go from 27th in points allowed from the beginning of the season when AD wasn't playing to essentially top 10.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams I know if he sits he doesn't get paid. He knows that, the whole world knows that. Where did I say it's not ok for the Rams to play hardball? Most of you are already wanting to focus on the Rams hardball options. I'm simply giving you AD's one option. No one knows how hardcore he'll be about going through with it so let's not get into speculation about how much he'sby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam 1) We have the best D coach in the league. He doesn't depend on one guy that makes or breaks the D. 2) I've already said, keep Suh; provided of course that he still plays like the feared Suh of the first 8 years of his career. He'll come a whole lot cheaper than $21mil per year. 3) Tag him and wait. When a person is intent on committing career and/or salary suicide, then you let hby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Once he demands a trade, the Rams having leverage idea goes out the door. At that point it just becomes who's most stubborn and willing to force their will on the other party. AD would need money. The Rams would need to have the highest salaried and most talented player on the team playing.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I know if he sits he doesn't get paid. He knows that, the whole world knows that. Where did I say it's not ok for the Rams to play hardball? Most of you are already wanting to focus on the Rams hardball options. I'm simply giving you AD's one option. No one knows how hardcore he'll be about going through with it so let's not get into speculation about how much he's willing to lose. Insteaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
What do you think the Rams will do if they tag him and he sits? I've had very few people willing to answer this question.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam Of course the Rams covet AD. So do I. But not for any amount of money he chooses at the time he chooses. The NFL is the ultimate team sport. You need the other 52 guys and you can't auction them off simply to satisfy one player. Calling refusing to play while not being paid "leverage" is a misuse of the word. It is basically only a way to express not being happy. Thby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam ...AD has no leverage other than displaying unhappyness... He has little leverage this year b/c of his screwup last year of not reporting in time and getting his fourth accrued season. But once this season is up, his contract expires and he does gain some leverage. It's called holding out. You say the Rams should tag him and they very well may go down that path. But AD canby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram Whether AD plays or not in 2018 his contract still expires at the end of the 2018 league year. However, if he doesn't report by Aug 7 he will be a restricted free agent in 2019, giving the Rams the right to match any offer he gets from another team. I misspoke about what would result if he didn't report by that deadline. I just remembered he wouldn't be a UFA but had forgottenby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAtlantic Ram I mean he either signs an extension with the Rams or gets traded... either way he doesn't have to worry about free agency... Unless the Rams choose to let him sit until he is a free agent... possible I guess. If I were Donald there is no way I play without an epic sum of guaranteed cash. But I would also not hire France as an agent. If he doesn't get the requisite 4 accruedby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAtlantic Ram He is probably looking at north of $80M guaranteed $$$... I'm surprised he played last season. Almost seemed like a token of good will to play last year... so his agent probably had to load up on xanax before every Ram game. DPOY too lol. He has to play to qualify for free agency. Without the threat of free agency, the Rams have him over a barrel.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar Its interesting to see how threads and subtopics evolve. The point was made that only AD can keep AD "off the field". This is definitively true as it will be his decision not to report if the Rams tag him. Does it matter? Who knows? Pedantic? Probably. Such is the board when there is nothing much else going on.... Definitely pedantic. Technically it would be himby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCeeZar If it comes to that and Rams will tag him. If AD chooses not to sign the tag it will be his decision not to be on the field. All moralizing and sides-taking aside, it will be his decision, right? If he decides to not sign the tag, yeah, that's his decision. So what? What's the purpose of the question?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotedzrams The way I take Vinny's article here is it's a signal from the Rams that they're willing to go higher than the offer actually on the table but they need AD to come down from his outrageous demands. Do you genuinely believe AD's demands are "outrageous"? I would say that unless we hear real numbers, there's no way to judge that.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Quotedzrams QuoteRampage2K- Just doing some quick numbers based on what the previous contract was for the highest paid defender in the NFL, Von Miller. The cap has gone up about 12% since he signed in 2016 So basing what VM signed for, a very fair offer to AD would be about 6 years $128 M A reasonable offer would be in that range. However, Donald may be trying to reset theby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Just doing some quick numbers based on what the previous contract was for the highest paid defender in the NFL, Von Miller. The cap has gone up about 12% since he signed in 2016 So basing what VM signed for, a very fair offer to AD would be about 6 years $128 M A reasonable offer would be in that range. However, Donald may be trying to reset the market the way Suh and thenby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams The way I take Vinny's article here is it's a signal from the Rams that they're willing to go higher than the offer actually on the table but they need AD to come down from his outrageous demands. Do you genuinely believe AD's demands are "outrageous"? I would say that unless we hear real numbers, there's no way to judge that. So for example I can imagineby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- QuoteRams43 Either Vinny’s sources are good, or they’re not. Vinny is not the only one hinting at these things, btw. I’ll say this. Vinny is a respected beat writer. Hardly a flame throwing blogger trying to get hits and establish a name for himself. Quite the contrary. His reputation rises or falls based upon his truth and accuracy. So, I think he deserves some credit whenby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- “I’ve been told by multiple people in the NFL if this was just about Aaron Donald being the highest-paid defensive player in the history of the NFL, the deal would have already gotten done. Why? Because the Rams look like they are ready to do that. It’s probably going to be $20 million plus that they end up paying him. But, what I have been told is that doesn’t appear to be all heby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Vinny just put it in black and white- The Rams would have made AD the highest paid player on defense. Not the only one to allude to that btw. I think the evidence is clear at this point. I must have missed that from Vinny. When and where did he say that? Link? So that makes the first unequivocal statement but it still conflicts with what came directly out of Demoff's mouthby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com