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Goff is average to good.
It's amazing how many people declare their opinion is the "objective" one.
It is actually too soon to say
what Goff IS though I am glad that you like everyone else have another unobjective opinion.
Here a fact though. You would be hard pressed to name any qb who did NOT have bad games in their 5th year. That means that have a couple of bad games in your 5th year does not describe your overall standing as a qb.
That means it's all still an open question.
I say he improves from his play in the 2nd quarter of 2020, and turns out to be be better than avg. or just good. You say different. The only "objective" statement here is that objectively, we have 2 different opinions.
No, "objectively" Goff has ranked well below average since the KC game in 2018. That's good games and bad games, vs. good teams and bad teams, with all manner of situations. Compared to all other QB's, his numbers have been less than mediocre. That isn't an opinion or subjective. It's empirical, objective numbers.
After 5 years in the league, even at his young age, it's hard not to consider that he might already be what he's going to be. That isn't to say that he can't improve but there is considerable data available to form an opinion of what he is as an NFL QB. After 5 years, most QB's don't suddenly transition to the next level and become something different. It's possible and I'm sure many here are hoping for it but that doesn't make it something to plan around. Or to suggest we can't say what Goff is because his career isn't over. What he is and what he will be are two different things. But what he currently is, crystallizes as each week goes by.
I find it an interesting exercise to apply the same mindset to someone that you don't have an emotional interest in. One's hope for Goff is, IMO, going to skew their perception. So, would you argue so strongly that the numbers aren't suggestive or indicative of what a QB is and his chances for consistent, elite level of play for...Teddy Bridgewater?
