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Re: hmmm interesting

February 07, 2020 06:36AM
I seem to recall you using pressures and a specific number to measure Goff's performance previously. From what I recall you used the number 8 to point out when he was pressure 8 times or more his performance was worst than when it was 7 times or less. You posted that after the Dallas game I believe.

You are also cherry picking games... I mean how was Goff's performance the week before in Dallas? Heck why not post that? I recall us discussing that game and you being very adamant that his performance was driven by the pressure... here you use the SF game to highlight a game where Goff was under pressure but played well anyhow, and by the way I pointed out that in real time during that game and after it that Goff played well despite the pressure. Your getting on a slippery slope here my friend

Now I wasn't really intending to compare the two of them only in regard to pressure and how it impacts their play. You are on record as saying that it impacts all QBs play so I hope I don't hear you changing that now

The fact is in the SB and in the 4th Q Shanny went away from throwing out of play action in favor of the shotgun.. when he did that the Chiefs began to t-off on the Niners oline ... just like the Rams did in that game back in December.

Pressure effects Jimmy G and I would say Goff more than a Mahomes, or Rodgers or others. DZ posted numbers to support how poorly Goff has played when pressured his entire career. Also Some QBs and olines rely more on play action... both Jim G and Jared G are those types of QBs and the Rams oline and 49ers oline are similar in that regard as well




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is that his play declined once the oline started struggling in pass protection

that’s something you are in tune with when it comes to Goff but here you focus on Jimmy G

he was 18 of 21 and on his way to MVP prior to the 49ers going into pass mode there final 3 series and getting away from their play action game

i’m just surprised you have yet to comment on it

First, I am firmly in the camp that says Goff is better than Garagepolo. I am not very likely to yield on that.

And my issue with the Rams wasn't pressures. That's only part of it. So it's actually inaccurate to say my issue is qb pressures. As I said that is only PART of it. My issue is overall OL stability. A subpar or heavily injured OL is a problem from the start of the game to the end. It's a problem BEFORE the game. Playcalling changes, the qb knows they do not have a stable platform before the 1st snap, and so on. Lots and lots of consequences.

With Jimmy G, you are just talking about the 4th quarter--not a clear and distinct disadvantage going into the game. With their run game, with their FB and TEs, the 49ers could usually shield Jimmy G and they could enter games confident that the OL situation would not be a disasadvantage from snap 1. Rams never had that option in any games against top defenses. So Goff played under much more unstable conditions.

But you brought up pressures so let's look at pressures. In this case I will look at the relatively more stable OL the Rams had in the 2nd half of 2019 (in spite of the OL starting 3 injury replacements).

Comparing the Rams against the SF D in December to the 49ers in the superbowl.

In the December SF game, Goff was pressured 12 times against what we all agree is a very strong D front.
His numbers: 27 of 43, 323 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, & a qb rating of 85.7. And no running game.
In the 4th quarter, with the game on the line, coming from behind, he was 4 of 6 for 38 yards.

In the superbowl, JImmy G was pressured 8 times.
His numbers: 20 of 31, 219 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, & a qb rating of 69.2.
In the 4th quarter, with the game on the line, he was 3 of 11 for 36 yards & 1 INT.

As I would expect, Goff was much better under roughly similar circumstances, and that was while facing more pressures.

Jimmy G is better shielded from bad game conditions that Goff was overall, yet in roughly similar circumstances Goff came though and Jimmy G did not.







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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2020 07:01AM by Speed_Kills.
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  Good stuff, Bosa in Mahomes lap all day...

max245February 06, 2020 01:53AM

  Re: Good stuff, Bosa in Mahomes lap all day...

zn278February 06, 2020 03:00AM

  Re: Good stuff, Bosa in Mahomes lap all day...

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  Re: Good stuff, Bosa in Mahomes lap all day...

zn205February 06, 2020 03:43AM

  I think the most underrated element of Mahomes

RamUK193February 06, 2020 03:20AM

  Here’s the thing...

max221February 06, 2020 03:58AM

  Re: Here’s the thing...

zn203February 06, 2020 04:21AM

  Re: Here’s the thing...

max218February 06, 2020 04:33AM

  Re: Here’s the thing...

zn239February 06, 2020 04:44AM

  I think both defenses were a key in this one....

RAMbler233February 06, 2020 06:36AM

  Re: Here’s the thing...

Old Goat203February 06, 2020 03:16PM

  Re: Here’s the thing...

zn176February 06, 2020 03:54PM

  Re: what I don’t get about your take on Jim G

Speed_Kills166February 07, 2020 03:02AM

  the issue isn't "pressure" taken in itself

zn176February 07, 2020 06:10AM

  Re: hmmm interesting

Speed_Kills196February 07, 2020 06:36AM

  Re: hmmm interesting

zn141February 07, 2020 10:01AM

  Re: no that's not always the context you have used

Speed_Kills154February 07, 2020 10:38AM

  yes it is

zn161February 07, 2020 04:16PM

  Like I said - no that’s not always the context

Speed_Kills185February 08, 2020 04:24AM

  speed

zn187February 08, 2020 04:32AM

  Both Speed Kills and zn....

73Ram333February 08, 2020 04:55AM

  Re: Both Speed Kills and zn....

zn176February 08, 2020 04:57AM

  Re: ok 73. i’m good with ending thx man nm

Speed_Kills172February 08, 2020 05:00AM

  Nice post

max236February 07, 2020 11:12AM

  thanks

zn150February 07, 2020 04:26PM

  Re: Here’s the thing...

zn194February 06, 2020 04:41AM

  Re: A couple of things if I can chime in here

Speed_Kills173February 07, 2020 02:49AM

  Bosa and Mahomes

21Dog226February 06, 2020 06:10AM

  max you will appreciate this

zn378February 06, 2020 03:00PM

  Re: max you will appreciate this

max202February 07, 2020 03:52AM

  Re: How average he is under pressure

Speed_Kills155February 07, 2020 04:11AM

  Re: How average he is under pressure

max150February 07, 2020 04:33AM

  Re: you mean Jimmy G

Speed_Kills233February 07, 2020 04:39AM

  Re: you mean Jimmy G

max177February 07, 2020 04:46AM

  Re: well at least

Speed_Kills239February 07, 2020 04:53AM

  Re: well at least

max158February 07, 2020 05:23AM

  Re: who said anything about handing it off

Speed_Kills309February 07, 2020 05:33AM

  that abandoning the run doomed the 49ers.......

21Dog194February 07, 2020 05:55AM

  Re: max you will appreciate this

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