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LBRamsFan
I don't disagree with anything you said. And you and I are in pretty much agreement on the issue. I think time will bear out where Goff finally ranks in the QBs of his day, and while I think he will continue to get better there are still flaws in his game. Also, if I were a fan of another team I would likely point to high profile games like the Bears game and the Superbowl as evidence of a mediocre QB. But I think that if you use the same tools or analytics to measure Goff as you use to measure other QBs, without "reputation" or "bias," you will still come to the conclusion that he is a top 8 QB. In my opinion, Goff tries more, and converts more, difficult passes downfield than any QB in the game. That is not to say that Rodgers or Mahomes or any other QB can't make those throws, only that Goff makes more of them. I'm referring to passes downfield, through windows, crossing patterns and sideline throws, where his accuracy is pinpoint. Every QB makes a few of these, but the Rams ask Goff to make a lot of them and he is very good at it.
Also, how many QBs last year had games that were equivalent to Goff's Viking game, or his Chiefs game, or even the NFC championship game? Do people downgrade Drew Brees for losing at home to Goff in the NFC championship game after being up 13? Brady scored 13 points in the Superbowl against a suspect Rams' D, including 3 through the first 53 minutes, but no one is saying he should be downgraded. Aaron Rodgers lost to the Cardinals at home last year, Drew Brees was shut-out last year by the Cowboys, and Tom Brady was routed by the Jaguars. All I'm saying is that if you apply any criteria across the board, Goff was and is a top 8 QB right now in the league.
Isiah 58
See as much as I liked the Vijkes game and Chiefs game, after that he DID crash back down to earth a bit. Not all of it was him but some of it was him.
People do not downgrade Brees because he has a long and consistent track record. Goff is young so for many the end of the year crashes DO downgrade him. He does not have the longstanding record of consistency others do, who I would rank above him at this point.
You cannot have a long streak of questionable games at the end of the season when it counts and get a "pass," particularly when you're a young qb. Expecting that is just an exercise in frustration.
So trying the "but these more established veteran qbs had losses too" game is just kind of off target. All of those guys DID establish longstanding records of consistency and Goff hasn't yet. (And yeah it's cause he has not had enough time to do that yet.)
And comparing this loss or that loss by other qbs also doesn't really count because remember with Goff it's an 8 game streak with 5 subpar games. Not "a loss." (In fact they won a couple of them.)
So yeah you can point to the first half season highs, but then I compare them to the second half of the season lows and conclude HE IS NOT CONSISTENT YET, being a still young qb. I don't go "why is the press hung up on the wrong games?!" .... I notice instead that he HAS NOT established himself as a consistent, fully mature qb yet. Not only that, but, I am claiming that when he DOES do that, people will acknowledge it. We won't have to look into their dark motives for not agreeing with us...when it's obvious it will be acknowledged.
BTW, in terms of being ranked top 10 statistically in 2018, so are Watson, Fitzpatrick and Cousins. But I would not call them top 10 qbs. And here are the ones who aren't: Luck, Brady, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2019 02:27PM by zn.
