April 20, 2019 05:21AM
Quote
zn
Quote

Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
Biggest myth in NFL team building: you can’t have a top level roster with a QB making upper echelon money. Simply not true, an excuse and a cop-out.

Quote

Steve Wyche@wyche89
Can I get an amen?

Quote

Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
Exactly...which is what everyone is looking for. Excuses.

Quote

Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
Re top QB pay: it is not the big salaries that get teams in Cap trouble. It is the renegotiations stacking future Cap to save money in the present. Some teams have QBs making $20M and counting $30M on the Cap. That's bad management.

Quote

Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
The “just have a cheap QB and pay everyone else” thought:
-Since 2012 (Russell draft year) I calculated that there have been 118 teams over that 7 year span to go “cheaper” route-they’ve won 3 SB’s. Same time span-96 have gone “not cheapest” they’ve won 4 SB’s...
...

[twitter.com]
[twitter.com]
[twitter.com]
[twitter.com]

There are charts/visual aids in the original tweets which is why I link them, but here is just the prose sans visuals:

Quote

Moo@Moo12152
Does paying your QB hurt your team? A thread combining EPA team metrics from @nflscrapR, PFF team unit grades and spotrac cap data.

I computed the cap hit of the QB room of a given team in a given season since 2009 and compared it to performance of various units of the team.

Let's start with things the QB can control. Passing offense as measured by EPA/dropback, PFF passing grade, point differential and PFF receiving grade (a good QB helps the performance of his receivers).

We find a positive correlation. Good QBs tend to be paid more. No surprise.

The relation between the correlation coefficients make sense, too.

We would expect that a QB controls his own grade more than the overall performance of his passing offense and more than the point differential of his team.

Seems like we are onto something and our data is legit.

Now things get interesting. What about things the QB can't control? Like defense as measured by PFF grades. Do we see a negative correlation because of the increased costs?

No.

What about measuring defense by the outcome instead of PFF grade? No correlation, the EPA allowed even decreases (which is of course noise).

What about the parts of the offense that are not directly related to the QB? Pass & run blocking, rushing? Nothing there.

Ok, let's take a combination of all things not related to the QB. I just took the sum of PFF team grades for the respective units. Nothing there.

To be fair, that's an arbitrary way to combine the units...

Overall point is: Of course it's better to have $10M than not to have it. But there are so many variables towards roster construction that it doesn't affect the overall result. One solid starter on a rookie contract more or less easily wipes out the (dis)advantage.

Short version: he says no. Paying your qb does not automatically set your team back.

....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/20/2019 05:23AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  RWilson stays in SEA for 4 years/140M contract extension

NorCalRamFan654April 16, 2019 01:01AM

  I hate the Hawks but

shellback334April 16, 2019 01:30AM

  Crippling contract

alyoshamucci368April 16, 2019 02:22AM

  Re: Crippling contract

zn306April 16, 2019 04:26AM

  Re: Crippling contract

Rampage2K-261April 16, 2019 08:02AM

  not so much

snowman227April 16, 2019 11:37AM

  Re: Crippling contract

Los Angeles Lenny190April 16, 2019 11:49AM

  Re: Crippling contract

AlbaNY_Ram179April 16, 2019 12:22PM

  Re: RWilson stays in SEA for 4 years/140M contract extension

Classicalwit226April 16, 2019 02:49AM

  What Russell Wilson's historic extension means for Rams, Jared Goff

RamBill233April 16, 2019 04:06AM

  Re: What Russell Wilson's historic extension means for Rams, Jared Goff

zn293April 16, 2019 04:30AM

  Re: What Russell Wilson's historic extension means for Rams, Jared Goff

GroundPounder342April 16, 2019 04:41AM

  Re: What Russell Wilson's historic extension means for Rams, Jared Goff

zn311April 16, 2019 04:47AM

  Comparing Garropolo's Deal

RamsFanSince69265April 16, 2019 04:54AM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

GroundPounder231April 16, 2019 04:56AM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

zn211April 16, 2019 05:27AM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

Rampage2K-203April 16, 2019 08:11AM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

AlbaNY_Ram279April 16, 2019 11:15AM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

Rampage2K-250April 16, 2019 12:55PM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

zn204April 16, 2019 03:57PM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

Rampage2K-191April 16, 2019 04:49PM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

zn163April 16, 2019 05:05PM

  bingo--yes well saId

zn210April 16, 2019 01:48PM

  Re: Comparing Garropolo's Deal

zn243April 16, 2019 05:24AM

  Oh, to be an NFL franchise QB...

Rams43190April 16, 2019 06:45AM

  Re: Oh, to be an NFL franchise QB...

OzRam313April 16, 2019 07:20AM

  Re: RWilson stays in SEA for 4 years/140M contract extension

zn176April 16, 2019 02:33PM

  more on this

zn187April 20, 2019 05:21AM

  and then even more

zn158April 20, 2019 05:27AM

  This will have a negative impact on the cost of extending Goff

David Deacon148April 20, 2019 08:33AM

  well not necessarily, no

zn185April 20, 2019 09:00AM

  Re: it will not

David Deacon157April 20, 2019 09:08AM

  Re: it will not

zn279April 20, 2019 09:12AM

  Re: well not necessarily, no

David Deacon171April 20, 2019 09:12AM

  Re: well not necessarily, no

zn148April 20, 2019 09:15AM