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you're right, yes you can

June 27, 2018 03:57AM
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AlbaNY_Ram
"You cannot make AD the highest paid defender and keep the other guys as well ..." The Rams most certainly can - and most likely will - make AD the highest paid defensive player in the NFL and keep Gurley, Peters, Cooks, Goff plus three or four other studs on the team. Zn has posted a number of times about how other teams allocate their caps to retain their key players and how the Rams can (and likely will) follow a similar path to retain their core players. I am surprised - no, make that stunned - that you have not stumbled across one of those posts before. With any luck zn will chime in again with the specifics of his analysis.

You;re right, AR, it's doable.

It does mean you can't keep em all but you don't need to keep em all.

The specifics are this. It has been shown that winning teams spend around 60% of their cap on a core of 10 players. I keep showing it can be 8 or 9 players. Right now for example the Rams spend 58.6% of their cap on 10 players.

By 2020 the cap ought to be 200 M (or a bit more). If so 60% of that is 120 M. With 120 M you can sign Donald, Goff, Cooks, Gurley, and Peters and have room for 3 more in the 7-9 M range.

All winning teams face this. The ones good with the cap AND good with personnel handle it.

Why keep Donald? The argument is, you keep a guy who gives you advantages. Analysis has shown that Donald BOTH attracts multiple blockers more than any other lineman, AND leads the league in qb pressures. That means he attracts more attention than anyone else (freeing up others) AND makes plays at a high rate ANYWAY.

Repeating for emphasis. Donald faced multiple blockers more than ANYONE ELSE (freeing up others) AND AT THE SAME TIME had more qb pressures than anyone else. eye popping smiley

That's like getting a tremendous deal on a nice plot of land and then discovering gold on it.

What value do you put on that? It's because of Donald doing that that the Rams were 4th in sacks last year. They schemed around him to be 4th in sacks in spite of having no real edge rusher. Quinn was subpar most of the year, Ebukam was a rookie (rarely does a rookie pass rusher do anything), Longacre is an effort guy and played half the season with a bad back, and Barwin was on his way out.

Another thing about having a rare elite DT type is that it is FAR easier to find outside rushers than it is to find elite DTs. The last elite DT before Donald was probably Sapp. (Sapp was drafted in 95, AD in 2014. 20 years.) Yet last year out of the 35 guys with 8 or more sacks, only 3 were DTs (and the other 2 while good are not as good as Donald). That means that once you have an elite DT you CAN find an edge rusher, and then you have both. It doesn;t work the other way around.




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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/27/2018 04:03AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Demoff: Talks with Aaron Donald have been 'great'

RamBill939June 26, 2018 06:55PM

  I like this line:

stlramz400June 26, 2018 09:07PM

  Re: I like this line:

zn302June 26, 2018 09:36PM

  Re: I like this line:

max377June 26, 2018 11:18PM

  Re: I like this line:

AlbaNY_Ram238June 27, 2018 12:32AM

  Good point. Not cheap, incompetent contract staff

max246June 27, 2018 03:25AM

  not the issue though

zn257June 27, 2018 03:31AM

  It’s called incompetent

max267June 27, 2018 03:36AM

  Re: I do NOT want AD to be "top paid defender"

spagsbacker263June 27, 2018 01:03AM

  Re: I do NOT want AD to be "top paid defender"

AlbaNY_Ram256June 27, 2018 01:24AM

  Re: I ignore those posts...

spagsbacker300June 27, 2018 02:30AM

  Re: I ignore those posts...

AlbaNY_Ram206June 27, 2018 03:18AM

  They won’t pay him more than they have to

max234June 27, 2018 03:21AM

  trade

zn258June 27, 2018 03:35AM

  Yeah, I’m worried about Demoff

max254June 27, 2018 03:40AM

  you're right, yes you can

zn267June 27, 2018 03:57AM

  Re: you're right, yes you can

LMU93216June 27, 2018 05:34AM

  Re: you're right, yes you can

zn204June 27, 2018 09:37AM

  It would be nice....

wv ram223June 27, 2018 10:32AM

  Keep in mind...

max205June 27, 2018 01:54PM

  show me... less money

wv ram264June 27, 2018 03:27PM

  Re: show me... less money

max220June 28, 2018 12:33AM

  totally agree

CeeZar224June 28, 2018 03:53AM

  wishing

wv ram198June 28, 2018 08:05AM

  Except Donald is far from where Brady is

max163June 28, 2018 04:18PM

  Re: Except Donald is far from where Brady is

zn171June 28, 2018 04:23PM

  yep

max188June 28, 2018 04:35PM

  happiness

wv ram179June 29, 2018 05:30AM

  Re: They may not be cheap but their philosophy is becoming apparent...

dzrams198June 27, 2018 04:26PM

  Re: They may not be cheap but their philosophy is becoming apparent...

zn215June 27, 2018 06:18PM

  JJ, TruJ, Watkins

RamBill245June 29, 2018 05:09AM

  Re: JJ, TruJ, Watkins

dzrams194June 29, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: JJ, TruJ, Watkins

RamBill161June 29, 2018 08:03PM

  Re: JJ v. TruJ

dzrams170June 29, 2018 08:18PM

  Re: JJ v. TruJ

zn165June 30, 2018 04:55AM

  Several things occur to me...

Rams43310June 27, 2018 07:27AM

  You don't think Demoff knows what he's doing

BigGame81213June 27, 2018 07:34AM

  Re: You don't think Demoff knows what he's doing

ramBRO231June 27, 2018 07:53AM

  Re: You don't think Demoff knows what he's doing

Rams43204June 27, 2018 09:11AM

  Re: You don't think Demoff knows what he's doing

ramBRO204June 27, 2018 09:21AM

  Re: You don't think Demoff knows what he's doing

Rams43197June 27, 2018 09:33AM

  No one is going to be highest paid in perpetuity

stlramz206June 27, 2018 09:13AM

  Re: No one is going to be highest paid in perpetuity

Rams43192June 27, 2018 09:25AM

  Re: No one is going to be highest paid in perpetuity

stlramz191June 27, 2018 10:50AM

  I say offer top D line pay plus a tad more and NO MORE.

Ramgator228June 27, 2018 04:25AM

  that's a low ball

zn240June 27, 2018 04:31AM

  Its gonna be significantly higher than $20M

max202June 27, 2018 04:51AM

  Low ball? How?

Ramgator226June 27, 2018 12:03PM

  because his market value is higher

zn192June 27, 2018 02:53PM

  Re: because his market value is higher

LMU93187June 27, 2018 03:26PM

  Re: Low ball? How?

waterfield194June 27, 2018 03:41PM

  would a guy be happy with being in the top 5 in pay for defensive players.....

roman18222June 27, 2018 07:27AM

  Re: Why should he?

dzrams251June 27, 2018 04:01PM

  Well IMO having a great place to play, having great players....

roman18248June 28, 2018 03:11AM

  Re: The Rams don't have a monopoly on those things...

dzrams188June 28, 2018 06:28AM

  Now I admit I am guessing/wishing on the SB ring part....

roman18219June 28, 2018 07:13AM

  Re: The Rams don't have a monopoly on those things...

Rams43278June 28, 2018 07:18AM

  Re: @Roman @Rams43....don't underestimate the importance of recognition

dzrams766June 28, 2018 10:08AM

  Re: @Roman @Rams43....don't underestimate the importance of recognition

zn709June 28, 2018 10:26AM

  Re: @Roman @Rams43....don't underestimate the importance of recognition

Rams43239June 28, 2018 11:14AM

  Re: @Roman @Rams43....don't underestimate the importance of recognition

dzrams173June 28, 2018 04:01PM

  Re: @Roman @Rams43....don't underestimate the importance of recognition

Rams43152June 28, 2018 04:22PM

  Re: @Roman @Rams43....don't underestimate the importance of recognition

dzrams170June 28, 2018 05:11PM

  I get your point......

roman18172June 28, 2018 11:25AM

  who made us psychologists?

zn207June 28, 2018 11:43AM

  Who is saying I am a psychologist, or playing one?

roman18257June 29, 2018 03:16AM

  Re: Who is saying I am a psychologist, or playing one?

zn261June 29, 2018 04:54AM

  I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

RAMbler349June 27, 2018 08:25AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

AlbaNY_Ram212June 27, 2018 08:33AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

Rams43206June 27, 2018 09:16AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

ramBRO213June 27, 2018 09:17AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

Rams43225June 27, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

ramBRO224June 27, 2018 10:16AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

Rams43204June 27, 2018 10:42AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

Rampage2K-209June 27, 2018 11:41AM

  Re: I don't get all the fuse? IMO, it's simple.....

AlbaNY_Ram203June 27, 2018 10:35AM

  the "opt out" rumor was last year

zn183June 27, 2018 12:43PM

  Rumor: AD wants to be paid like a top QB...

Rams43227June 29, 2018 09:00AM

  I doubt it but either way there are no real sources cause no one knows

zn285June 29, 2018 09:10AM

  Re: I doubt it but either way there are no real sources cause no one knows

Rams43267June 29, 2018 09:41AM

  Re: I doubt it but either way there are no real sources cause no one knows

ramBRO239June 29, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: I doubt it but either way there are no real sources cause no one knows

Rampage2K-240June 29, 2018 01:08PM

  Re: I doubt it but either way there are no real sources cause no one knows

zn424June 29, 2018 01:48PM

  Re: Rumor: AD wants to be paid like a top QB...

Rampage2K-312June 29, 2018 01:40PM

  Ol Clint said it best....

Ramgator311June 29, 2018 02:23PM

  That rumor sounds like all the other rumors

IowaRam198June 29, 2018 02:03PM