December 26, 2016 06:12AM
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zn
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But in that roughness you can see if this or that guy has "it," despite the obstacles..

To be honest with you I DO see that in Goff.

And that's in spite of having about the worst circumstances for a rookie starter I can think of.

How many rookie qbs have had these circumstances and played consistently well?

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It would have been helpful if you had quoted the entire paragraph, and then respond.

As in,

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Billy_T
"As for rookies. Of course, it's going to be rough for them. But in that roughness you can see if this or that guy has "it," despite the obstacles. And what I'm saying is that I see "it" from Goff and then I see "it" completely disappear. And that's often regardless of his time in the pocket, or the lack thereof."


It's like if someone responded to just this half of a statement, "I hate peanut butter with a passion," ignoring the rest of it which says, "if it includes sugar and corn starch and all kinds of other non-peanut stuff."

And the next paragraph already deals with "consistency."

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"The "it" thing should carry through more than it has for Goff, even as a rookie. And, again, I in no way expect it to happen even "often" in his first year -- especially given his team -- much less all the time. I'm saying that I see too little of it, for the first player chosen, regardless of his context. "

And I have the exact same response.

I see "it" in Goff. Period.

No qualifications, no taking it back, no hedges.

When a young rookie qb is inconsistent but has "it" the "it" will always show up sporadically. It doesn't go away, it's still there, it's still "it," but it is mixed in with other things. It's a diamond in rookie mud.

Even in the SF game, with all it's problems, Goff made some throws that no other Rams qb we can think of have ever made.

EDIT: I had the wrong play. I mean the 1st down to Austin on 3rd and 11 at LA 47 at 7:33. It;s on this vid at the 16:10 mark --



On that play he has a combination of movement and quick release that qualifies for me as "got it or you don't" talent.

The thing about "it" and inconsistency is this.

YOu see "it"---that's innate, have it or you don't talent.

Inconsistency---partly experience (rookie), partly circumstances. As the guy cleans up his act, you heighten the "it" so you see more of it, and less inconsistency.

I just don't see it the way you do.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2016 06:34AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Can't figure Goff out. Not seeing a pattern yet.

Billy_T815December 25, 2016 04:43AM

  That is because his coaching here with Rams has sucked.

GreatRamNTheSky305December 25, 2016 04:54AM

  Re: That is because his coaching here with Rams has sucked.

Billy_T540December 25, 2016 04:59AM

  Re: That is because his coaching here with Rams has sucked.

GreatRamNTheSky365December 25, 2016 05:02AM

  Re: That is because his coaching here with Rams has sucked.

73Ram331December 25, 2016 05:23AM

  Re: That is because his coaching here with Rams has sucked.

poplarbluffman182December 26, 2016 02:19AM

  zero

wv ram430December 25, 2016 05:26AM

  Re: zero

Billy_T392December 25, 2016 07:55AM

  Re: Can't figure Goff out. Not seeing a pattern yet.

zn530December 25, 2016 06:04AM

  How can it NOT say something about Goff?

RamUK344December 25, 2016 08:01AM

  What are you really looking for

BumRap241December 25, 2016 08:16AM

  Re: How can it NOT say something about Goff?

Billy_T490December 25, 2016 08:18AM

  Re: Unrealistic

BumRap308December 25, 2016 08:42AM

  Re: How can it NOT say something about Goff?

zn356December 25, 2016 09:22AM

  Re: How can it NOT say something about Goff?

moklerman280December 26, 2016 01:05AM

  Re: Can't figure Goff out. Not seeing a pattern yet.

Billy_T397December 25, 2016 08:08AM

  Re: Can't figure Goff out. Not seeing a pattern yet.

zn188December 26, 2016 03:35AM

  Re: To be a bit more specific . . . .

Billy_T189December 26, 2016 04:19AM

  Re: To be a bit more specific . . . .

zn309December 26, 2016 04:39AM

  Re: To be a bit more specific . . . .

Billy_T189December 26, 2016 04:49AM

  Re: To be a bit more specific . . . .

zn196December 26, 2016 05:23AM

  Re: To be a bit more specific . . . .

Billy_T191December 26, 2016 05:54AM

  Re: To be a bit more specific . . . .

zn380December 26, 2016 06:12AM

  Do I get a gold star

RamUK371December 25, 2016 07:59AM

  Re: Yep. Well done.

Billy_T360December 25, 2016 08:23AM

  Re: Can't figure Goff out. Not seeing a pattern yet.

Rams43218December 25, 2016 08:32AM

  you're seeing EXACTLY the pattern

zn342December 25, 2016 06:03PM

  Not seeing a pattern yet? I don't see our WRs running any!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus191December 26, 2016 04:22AM

  Re: Not seeing a pattern yet? I don't see our WRs running any!!

Billy_T294December 26, 2016 04:38AM

  Re: Good post

Speed_Kills193December 26, 2016 05:33AM

  Re: Enzyme deficiency? I missed that, SK.

Billy_T198December 26, 2016 06:05AM

  it's NOT a continuing issue

zn262December 26, 2016 06:15AM

  as in

zn206December 26, 2016 06:23AM