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Because analytics are not real

July 24, 2023 09:04AM
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JYB
. If analytics (or management or just basic market reality) have assessed that the running back position is less important than it once was, then how can it be said that they are not getting what they are worth?.

or at least incomplete.

What are the analytics for blocking? For touching the ball more than anyone except the QB?

This position value is overblown---just so people understand---overused (not worthless) but they make no sense.

Just you you mind and not analytics--
in what world is Cutis Samual worth more year year than Derrick Henry?
Where the top RB would be like the 18th highest paid WR?

So, by using metrics owners are saying "value" is that which a Henry or Gurley in his prime is better than a waiver wire back.
Okay, this would be for Rams fans---would Rams have been ANY good with an average running back in the start of
the McVay era? I don't know what an example of what metrics people call average or waiver wire RB back then but here
you think Rams win with an average back?

I don't.

So that's the answer to your question--metrics alone are not a fair way to evaluate RB play.

My opinion is owners are using metrics to depress RB salaries. They have the leverage right now
and the RBs have none. So the real-world results are the Giants won't offer Barkley what Hunter Renfroe makes.

It's unfair on it's face.

Also, I tend to side with players. I saw what the owners did to players when it game to earned benefits--disability,
even specific benefits --- docs deny, players have to fight to get earned benefits. Former players were promised
benefits by NFLPA when the FA deals came then they never came...

When money is involved those with it will cheat...power corrupts.

Anyway, reasonable people can disagree. I simply reject the premise that is being used to determine "value" and
I also reject the premise that the NFL is like any other industry.

Because of those things I have different opinion about this matter.
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  Article: Top running backs plan a Zoom call for Saturday night

Ramsdude457July 22, 2023 01:08PM

  Don't be surprised

alyoshamucci223July 22, 2023 01:39PM

  Re: Don't be surprised

Ramsdude127July 22, 2023 01:44PM

  Re: Don't be surprised. Scenarios:

mtramfan112July 23, 2023 08:45PM

  If NFL were a free market they'd be able to

JimYoungblood53148July 22, 2023 01:46PM

  There is risk.......

roman18116July 22, 2023 01:52PM

  At least runnung backs cannot be replaced by AI

JimYoungblood5386July 22, 2023 01:59PM

  Replaced by AI?

NewMexicoRam84July 22, 2023 02:11PM

  Their careers would last longer

JimYoungblood5394July 22, 2023 02:21PM

  I get it

Stafford9101July 23, 2023 04:35PM

  And a an incentive for owners could be part of it

JimYoungblood5353July 23, 2023 04:49PM

  I might be behind the times but I am still in favor of picking a RB in the first round of the draft

Stafford946July 24, 2023 02:02AM

  Re: Article: Top running backs plan a Zoom call for Saturday night

mtramfan101July 22, 2023 02:44PM

  I'd would ask if people here had a son

JimYoungblood5398July 23, 2023 07:42AM

  Re: What I would tell my son - this is a long one

mtramfan82July 23, 2023 01:07PM

  Fair enough

JimYoungblood5357July 23, 2023 01:27PM

  Re: Fair enough, and moving forward

mtramfan60July 23, 2023 02:53PM

  That's correct IMO

JimYoungblood5348July 23, 2023 04:05PM

  Helluva post, mt…

Rams4387July 23, 2023 04:21PM

  Re: Helluva post, mt… Thanks.

mtramfan45July 23, 2023 06:28PM

  Re: I'd would ask if people here had a son

Old Goat34August 08, 2023 08:54AM

  Re: I'd would ask if people here had a son

JimYoungblood5331August 08, 2023 09:21AM

  This is just another consequence of the "identity groups" craze

RockRam125July 23, 2023 03:15AM

  great post RR nm

21Dog89July 23, 2023 04:02AM

  Can't both things be true?

JimYoungblood5398July 23, 2023 06:55AM

  Re: +1 (nm)

tomatosan85July 23, 2023 10:45AM

  Re: +2(nm)

BC Ramsfan80July 23, 2023 05:50PM

  Nice well thought out post

RantoulRam55July 23, 2023 01:35PM

  Incentives--makes a lot of sense

JimYoungblood5348July 23, 2023 02:04PM

  No, both things cannot be true.

RockRam60July 24, 2023 03:04AM

  Re: No, both things cannot be true.

LaDoc55July 24, 2023 03:29AM

  Have to agree to disagree, but respect your opinion.

JimYoungblood5368July 24, 2023 08:45AM

  Re: Can't both things be true?

JYB42July 24, 2023 03:56AM

  Because analytics are not real

JimYoungblood5356July 24, 2023 09:04AM

  Re: Because analytics are not real

JYB49July 24, 2023 01:08PM

  yeah, I get it, I brought up analytics because that isreason behind all this

JimYoungblood5353July 24, 2023 01:26PM

  Re: yeah, I get it, I brought up analytics because that isreason behind all this

JYB47July 24, 2023 02:20PM

  I knew someone is going to bring that up-Marshal Faulk addressed this

JimYoungblood5353July 24, 2023 02:32PM

  Re: I knew someone is going to bring that up-Marshal Faulk addressed this

JYB49July 25, 2023 04:14AM

  That's my point----

JimYoungblood5346July 25, 2023 06:23AM

  Re: That's my point----

JYB41July 25, 2023 11:43AM

  I think we are agreeing here.

JimYoungblood5336July 25, 2023 12:20PM

  Re: Because analytics are not real

AlbaNY_Ram37July 25, 2023 03:40AM

  Athletes please stop complaining and blaming

LaDoc78July 23, 2023 07:59PM

  Two thumbs up! (nm)

RockRam46July 24, 2023 03:05AM

  three thumbs up nm

21Dog47July 24, 2023 04:38AM

  4 thumbs up.........nm

Arkansas Ram35July 24, 2023 02:33PM

  It would be so foolish for ‘top RB’s’ to strike…

Rams4381July 23, 2023 04:58AM

  Article: Nick Chubb on running back discontent: “There’s really nothing we can do”

Ramsdude68July 23, 2023 01:34PM

  Re: Article: It just isn't FAIR! Is it, Florio?

mtramfan134July 23, 2023 07:39PM

  Good story

RamsWin75July 23, 2023 11:25PM

  Re: Good story

mtramfan70July 24, 2023 03:34PM

  At least understand the pay structure guards DO get paid, more than RBs

JimYoungblood5356July 24, 2023 04:18PM

  This thread should be an Example for the whole board

RantoulRam77August 08, 2023 08:32AM