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Can't both things be true?

July 23, 2023 06:55AM
can't society and all the ills you mention have merit AND ALSO
that running backs are getting screwed by the nature of their
job?

And if someone does not like what they are getting paid
then they can strike? And if they are replaced by lesser
players teams will feel it and whine about not having
a good running back but?

This is not a free market---the NFL is a cartel, a bunch
of different owners acting as a monopoly and have
anti-trust protection from Congress...meaning that
they can act in a monopolistic fashion with no consequences.

That alone removes any nothing of a Adam Smith invisible
hand market.

Now, in this job limited job market all jobs are different.
Extremely talented players, whether they are elite or
average do riskier work that anyone else on the field.
RUnning backs have the shortest careers of any position.

So, the new CBA, which fans LOVED because rookies
didn't get paid a ton of money anymore and no holdouts
screws one set of players, running backs.

The vet NFL players loved it too, because more money for
them in their 2nd and 3rd contracts

So, a linemen, QB, WR, LB, DB even kicker...if they are good
this controlled market treats them fairly they can get paid
big money on 2nd contract. And 3rd if they are good enough
and are healthy enough.

These are no longer options for running backs. One-analytics
show that the difference between an elite back and an average
back is less than any other back suggesting that they are fungible.

Two, the get hurt and like Gurley by the time they have their first
contract come up 4-5 years in they are used up because they get
hit 20 time a game on carriers, 3-4 more on catches and 10-15 more
on pass protection and do it at high speed in open field.

It's a fact their careers are the shortest.

So, I ask you -- is the system fair?

The CBA does not allow the RBs to get paid what they are worth
when they are at their peak.

It was an unforeseen complication. And because it was unforeseen
(Analytics driven, nature of the changing game) there should be
an adjustment allowed.

Play this out...RBs don't get paid. Running backs are great athletes
they can play other positions, some of them ... maybe not all
but they go to college and Nick Saban cannot get the best
RB in nation because he won't play RB in college because
he won't get paid in NFL.

Multiply that all over the nation. Lesser athletes will play runningback
because that is all that is left. Lesser RBs get drafted (all in the 5-6-7 round)
and then analytics find out there is a big difference between
an average RB and elite one at that point.

The product suffers and fans get screwed.

So, now I ask what not recognize the realities of the situation and make
your employees happy to treat them more fairly?

Obviously, I respect your opinion and 21dogs and you see all this
differently and that is of course your right.

However, I have some compassion for these guys. Through no fault
of their own they are not allowed to get paid like the rest of the team.

A RB with great talent, 21-year-old Marshall Fauk comes out of
a big school--a guy who will rush for 1000 cach pass for 700
and block like a beast and he is taken in the mid-1st, rather than top 5
because his position is not as valuable as it once was.

So, some crappy QB who is taken 3rd overall gets paid more. Positional
value don't you know.

The "Faulk" wants more money because he knows he will be Pro Bowl
rookie then All-Pro, etc...team says, "No you get paid according to your
slot, that is what the CBA says".

"But by the time my second contract comes up my next 4 years will not
be as good as by first 4 years (think Todd Gurley) and you won't give
me a big second contracts (think Todd Gurley) and teams says
screw you.

That is no way to run a business that relies on 53 men, 22 starters
and that paids kickers, on average $200-300K more than RBs.

That isn't fair, they job description is different. Their career path is limited.
But they are VITAL to the product.

Nah, they need to do something if this is not addressed. If they strike
they strike...the owners need to think about their business long-term.
No Derrick Henry stiff-arming people? No future McCaffrey's running
receiving, passing?

I simply cannot agree with the RBs getting screwed. Fairness is the key
to life, IMO. Fairness and equity.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Article: Top running backs plan a Zoom call for Saturday night

Ramsdude456July 22, 2023 01:08PM

  Don't be surprised

alyoshamucci222July 22, 2023 01:39PM

  Re: Don't be surprised

Ramsdude126July 22, 2023 01:44PM

  Re: Don't be surprised. Scenarios:

mtramfan111July 23, 2023 08:45PM

  If NFL were a free market they'd be able to

JimYoungblood53148July 22, 2023 01:46PM

  There is risk.......

roman18115July 22, 2023 01:52PM

  At least runnung backs cannot be replaced by AI

JimYoungblood5386July 22, 2023 01:59PM

  Replaced by AI?

NewMexicoRam84July 22, 2023 02:11PM

  Their careers would last longer

JimYoungblood5394July 22, 2023 02:21PM

  I get it

Stafford9100July 23, 2023 04:35PM

  And a an incentive for owners could be part of it

JimYoungblood5352July 23, 2023 04:49PM

  I might be behind the times but I am still in favor of picking a RB in the first round of the draft

Stafford946July 24, 2023 02:02AM

  Re: Article: Top running backs plan a Zoom call for Saturday night

mtramfan100July 22, 2023 02:44PM

  I'd would ask if people here had a son

JimYoungblood5397July 23, 2023 07:42AM

  Re: What I would tell my son - this is a long one

mtramfan81July 23, 2023 01:07PM

  Fair enough

JimYoungblood5356July 23, 2023 01:27PM

  Re: Fair enough, and moving forward

mtramfan59July 23, 2023 02:53PM

  That's correct IMO

JimYoungblood5347July 23, 2023 04:05PM

  Helluva post, mt…

Rams4386July 23, 2023 04:21PM

  Re: Helluva post, mt… Thanks.

mtramfan45July 23, 2023 06:28PM

  Re: I'd would ask if people here had a son

Old Goat34August 08, 2023 08:54AM

  Re: I'd would ask if people here had a son

JimYoungblood5330August 08, 2023 09:21AM

  This is just another consequence of the "identity groups" craze

RockRam124July 23, 2023 03:15AM

  great post RR nm

21Dog89July 23, 2023 04:02AM

  Can't both things be true?

JimYoungblood5397July 23, 2023 06:55AM

  Re: +1 (nm)

tomatosan84July 23, 2023 10:45AM

  Re: +2(nm)

BC Ramsfan80July 23, 2023 05:50PM

  Nice well thought out post

RantoulRam54July 23, 2023 01:35PM

  Incentives--makes a lot of sense

JimYoungblood5348July 23, 2023 02:04PM

  No, both things cannot be true.

RockRam59July 24, 2023 03:04AM

  Re: No, both things cannot be true.

LaDoc54July 24, 2023 03:29AM

  Have to agree to disagree, but respect your opinion.

JimYoungblood5368July 24, 2023 08:45AM

  Re: Can't both things be true?

JYB41July 24, 2023 03:56AM

  Because analytics are not real

JimYoungblood5356July 24, 2023 09:04AM

  Re: Because analytics are not real

JYB49July 24, 2023 01:08PM

  yeah, I get it, I brought up analytics because that isreason behind all this

JimYoungblood5353July 24, 2023 01:26PM

  Re: yeah, I get it, I brought up analytics because that isreason behind all this

JYB46July 24, 2023 02:20PM

  I knew someone is going to bring that up-Marshal Faulk addressed this

JimYoungblood5352July 24, 2023 02:32PM

  Re: I knew someone is going to bring that up-Marshal Faulk addressed this

JYB49July 25, 2023 04:14AM

  That's my point----

JimYoungblood5345July 25, 2023 06:23AM

  Re: That's my point----

JYB40July 25, 2023 11:43AM

  I think we are agreeing here.

JimYoungblood5335July 25, 2023 12:20PM

  Re: Because analytics are not real

AlbaNY_Ram36July 25, 2023 03:40AM

  Athletes please stop complaining and blaming

LaDoc77July 23, 2023 07:59PM

  Two thumbs up! (nm)

RockRam45July 24, 2023 03:05AM

  three thumbs up nm

21Dog47July 24, 2023 04:38AM

  4 thumbs up.........nm

Arkansas Ram34July 24, 2023 02:33PM

  It would be so foolish for ‘top RB’s’ to strike…

Rams4380July 23, 2023 04:58AM

  Article: Nick Chubb on running back discontent: “There’s really nothing we can do”

Ramsdude67July 23, 2023 01:34PM

  Re: Article: It just isn't FAIR! Is it, Florio?

mtramfan133July 23, 2023 07:39PM

  Good story

RamsWin75July 23, 2023 11:25PM

  Re: Good story

mtramfan70July 24, 2023 03:34PM

  At least understand the pay structure guards DO get paid, more than RBs

JimYoungblood5356July 24, 2023 04:18PM

  This thread should be an Example for the whole board

RantoulRam76August 08, 2023 08:32AM