Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotejemach I have seen, because I'm the complainer, a lack of passing in the middle of the field. Passing in the hashes is rare. Most passes are closer to the numbers and outside the numbers. Part of the issue is not having a big body who can run downfield and take up space by speed and size. Our TE's typcially are catches outside the nubmers...in fact, Everett often liby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach is what the market bares. And, if you re-up Goff, doing it two years early, and don't take that into consideration...and pay full market? You know it well...it's called leverage. That two year period should/would save dollars. But, I think they can save sufficient dollars waiting till next year. As I see it, how stupid would a negotiator be to re-up a QB going into his fourby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach not now...especially if you extend him early? Who pays market price two years early? It not like we are going from $20 million to $30 million... Actually, that is part of my rationale to wait...why pay him market rate...whatever you think that is...when he is going to get market rate in 1 or 2 years anyway. IMO, I don't see market rate escalating significantly in the next two yeby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
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QuoteClassicalwit . . . outside of major injuries. Offense: Run the football. Defense: Stop the opposing team from running the football. Everything else will take care of itself. I don't think they can stop the run, though they can be a bit better at it than they have been. Rams are actually 32nd in the league in yards per carry allowed. I know it's the playoffs and all things getby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteOld Goat How many years have we had these easily replaced RTs? I seem to remember it as a pretty major liability going back to the GSOT days. Money for a young cog on this Oline is a good investment. That came up below. Martz was bad at drafting. He inherited 2 (Miller and Tucker) and then lost both and the best he could do was Barron. In fact I would deepen the whole indictment of Maby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach I have seen, because I'm the complainer, a lack of passing in the middle of the field. Passing in the hashes is rare. Most passes are closer to the numbers and outside the numbers. Part of the issue is not having a big body who can run downfield and take up space by speed and size. Our TE's typcially are catches outside the nubmers...in fact, Everett often lines up wide. Thisby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteJamesJM than I am. :laughing My whole thing with Goff is this: I've seen what he can do.... and he has 'elite' capabilities... not in every single way but enough. Seen it. So I'm not really worried about 'can he'..... I'm very confident he 'can'. Yeah I am not worried about Goff. At worst I envision him in the "Rivers" category as a qb.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteNewMexicoRam ....to give up on a stymied play and throw the ball away quicker. A great QB knows when to throw in the chips on a bad hand and try the next play. He will get there. He had a streak of 4 games where he fumbled 6 times, which caused him to be tied with 3 other qbs for most qb fumbles this season. Last season he was 16th in qb fumbles. Which thing is the "moreby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach No way. The market will speak. I put Goff at about $25 right now. Name the last continuing starter at qb who got short changed on a 2nd contract. The amounts for 2nd contracts especially for qb are pretty pre-programmed. When have you seen any variation on that pattern? I can only think of Bortles, who was deep in probation and was clearly a candidate for getting bencheby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 are because they are easily replaced. tell Mike Martz that LOL Miller followed by Tucker. Once he had to pick his own guys though, it kinda went south. Barron could be tolerable but was a wasted 1st rounder. And that was not the only position he was not good at drafting. You might as well say it;s impossible to find good safeties, look at Martz. Naw he was bad atby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Couple of things here, zn. First of all, we are in complete agreement that RT is among, if not the least difficult positions on OL to find and replace. I never said otherwise. But that wasn’t my point. My point was that Hav is a top RT by any measure, young, healthy, and very affordable for at least the 2-3 years before Goff’s extension. As such, it makes a TON of sense to meby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 QuoteLMU93 I thought it was good. While Whitworth and Sullivan are nearing the end and Noteboom and Allen are just coming in you need some continuity with the OL and that started with keeping Havenstein. It's a modest deal, especially in years 2-4, with the biggest cap # being in the first year (2019). And they can get out of it after 2020 if for some reason they want to. My hopeby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams_81 But in this case the effect is fully documented. You can argue why QBs do so much better before and after Fisher, but that is what happened? These are documented facts with recordings of results via stats. I follow the facts and that's it. I laid them out. Foles has bad games every year from 2014-2017 and Keenum never had an avg qb rating about the 70s until 2015. So I leaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams_81 Foles QB ratings 1) 2013 - 119 in 13 games 2) 2014 - 81 in 8 games 3) 2015 - 69 - bottom falls out and he looks completely incompetent as a player - low point in his career 4) 2016 - 105 - How about that back up to the top and of course onto superbowl MVP and follows it up with good year this year Keenum 76 rating with the Rams in to 98 with the Broncos who may Iby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram The charts for 2017 & 2018 show Goff to be fairly proficient in the middle of the field at all distances. I was happy to see that considering the criticism he has received on that aspect of his game. Why would he ever get criticized on that aspect of his game? It's obvious just from casual viewing that he owns the middle of the field. Last year for example he had a qb ratingby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBeachBoy Sorry doing this on my phone. In 95 for example as everyone knows he was all they had on offense, and got 1700+ yards out of it.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit QuoteDavid Deacon It is really telling how bad the offense was under Fisher. Every QB went on to post much much bigger numbers once they got out of that system. His years as a Rams coach were wasted due to his stubbornness and refusal to implement a modern day offense. Fisher has always been a run first coach. His teams run to set up the pass, like what Brian Schottenhby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLos Angeles Lenny Nm Teams can afford high qb cap hits and do it all the time. It;'s normal. By 2021 the cap will be about 200 M and 30 M on that is 15%. Brees this year is 14%. Same with Luck. When Wilson signed in 2015 his deal was 15.5% of that year's cap. And so on. This is particularly true of 2nd contracts (Brees was not a 2nd contract...Luck and Wilson are). Those teaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotejemach stated on this board with the signing. Overall looked at as a good move and sets up cap help for future years. Has nothing to do with how well Hav played, you can replace a right tackle more easily than any other position on the OL. AND since they they can only have so many big contracts, extending a right tackle is questionable. When they have Donald andby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach stated on this board with the signing. Overall looked at as a good move and sets up cap help for future years. Has nothing to do with how well Hav played, you can replace a right tackle more easily than any other position on the OL. AND since they they can only have so many big contracts, extending a right tackle is questionable. When they have Donald and Goff both under exteby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach So just because you are a "franchise QB", that doesn't mean you get top of market. I still don't understand why people think we need to negotiate anything with Goff until after next season. To save money? I'd rather see another year of proof and pay a little more. And with the CBA up after the 2021 season, who knows how contracts start to play out. Has nothing to dby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemoklerman Quotemerlin Kid is on his way to great things and has an opportunity to start his playoff legacy. There will come a day when a LOT of Rams fans wish they would have just relaxed and enjoyed an elite QB in his formative years.I wish Goff had made it an easy and obvious thing to relax and enjoy him consistently playing well. Unfortunately, he has given reason(s) for doubting him atby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram You said "There's no such thing as cheaping out on the market if you want a franchise qb. There's no imaginary "right price." You want a franchise qb you pay what the market says you pay." The player year is irrelevant. What is relevant is the percent of salary cap space taken by an individual player. Which remains more or less stable as the cap goes up.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram Your automatic dismissal of an 80/20 split as random is reckless imo. Its doubtful its random but I only posted 1 year of data so maybe that doesnt hold hold up long term. Moreover nobody said how much you pay the the QB is THE CAUSE it's the effect it has on the rest of the team that COULD potentially cause issues. That being said a food GM should be able to manage it. What isby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLos Angeles Lenny Let someone else over reach that far and destroy their chances to build a competitive team It;s a complete myth that paying your qb a market value 2nd or 3rd contract destroys your chances of building a competitive team. I mean what you assume does not explain Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, the Chargers, New Orleans, or Seattle. It doesn't explain recent winning seasoby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram im not sure I entirely disagree with your point but the examples you lay out are not overly convincing. in terms of average yearly salary for their starting QBs the teams you mention rank as follows Saints = 6th Chargers = 14th Seattle = 11th Colts =8th conversely 8 of the top 10 paid QBs did NOT even make the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers Matt Ryan Kirk Cousins Jimmy Garoby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLos Angeles Lenny But for the right price, not the over inflated market value, team killing price. There's no such thing as cheaping out on the market if you want a franchise qb. There's no imaginary "right price." You want a franchise qb you pay what the market says you pay. And it's not true that qb contracts kill teams. That's not true of the Saints, Chargers, Seattle, aby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotechunkmeister Perhaps one way will be to use Gurley on 1st downs, and any 2nd down where the distance is 4 yards or less, and 3rd downs where the distance is more than 4 yards. Then Use CJ on 2nd downs where distance is 5+ yards, and 3rd downs when distance is 4 yards or less. The logic here is that Gurley is far more potent as a receiver (vs CJ)....so let him do his damage on 1st down....oby zn - RamsFootballFans.com