QuoteClassicalwit Quotezn Quotebigjimram21 zn, With the replays showing Saints committing what are multiple penalties on the PI missed call play, is it that everyone wants to judge those as incidental, or not worthy enough for a flag,even though they are clearly penalties ( the hold on Brockers for instance, it was a hold by definition unless it's a let them play, no big deal type of thing,by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
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Quotebigjimram21 zn, With the replays showing Saints committing what are multiple penalties on the PI missed call play, is it that everyone wants to judge those as incidental, or not worthy enough for a flag,even though they are clearly penalties ( the hold on Brockers for instance, it was a hold by definition unless it's a let them play, no big deal type of thing, but still a flag). What sby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
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Quoteembraceable_ewe83 Truth is truth and facts are facts, you can spin the truth or facts to fit what you want to see or how you want to feel but TRUTH is not subjective. Not always. Some things are value judgments .Value judgments are not truths, they are basically opinions . The problem in this case, issues of fact are not in dispute. It's all value judgments. You can be of the opinionby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit Quotezn QuoteClassicalwit Reason is not dead! (listen to the embed of the PFT Live interview): This. You know in controversies like this, language takes a beating. You agree with Dungy about a controversy, and it's nothing more than agreement about a controversy, and...he is the rare man of "reason" Meanwhile we KNOW that if the situation were reversed, anby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit Reason is not dead! (listen to the embed of the PFT Live interview): This. You know in controversies like this, language takes a beating. You agree with Dungy about a controversy, and it's nothing more than agreement about a controversy, and...he is the rare man of "reason" Meanwhile we KNOW that if the situation were reversed, and the Rams lost a key gameby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteembraceable_ewe83 I don't need a bunch of people I don't know to agree with me Exactly. Meanwhile no stranger who resents the PI call needs you to agree with them either. Each side is convinced of its truth. Rams fans should just live with this the way Steelers fans lived with the immaculate reception controversy. IMO. Shrug.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit Quotewaterfield My ongoing battle with my neighbor (Saints fan) on this subject just gets worse each day. Tonight I was over asking about his wife who is seriously ill and the game came up. He says: " I hate the cheating patriots and the @#$%& Bellichick BUT I hope they beat the crap out of the Rams ! So I say what did the Rams do ? Were they supposed to tell the refs it waby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Just watched another angle and it’s clear the ball wasn’t tipped, but there is definitely illegal hands to the face that would have offset any flag thrown after that if it was called. So either way best case scenario for Saints is offsetting penalties and replay 3rd down. Oh who cares !!! Rams are going to the Super Bowl!!!by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedodgerram And THAT is where the insanity of this discussion lies: Everybody ASSUMES the Saints would have scored a TD right there or the Saints would have been able to run the clock down I haven't read anyone who assumes they would have scored but YES they could have run the clock down to 4 seconds then kicked the winning FG. There's no qualifier to that. Yes that was possible. Thby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotewaterfield there are now people who hate the Rams who before hand didn't care one way or the other about them. So be it. . .by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- The only people complaining about this are Saints fans and people who know nothing about football.....basically the same type of people:spintounge Had the refs not missed an obvious face mask on Goff a few minutes earlier in the game we wouldn't even be talking about the the last missed call. The refs were gonna let them play that day and the better team won. Listeby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 When your "worst acquisition" of the past two years is Marcus Peters, you're doing pretty well.... Well I would say in advance and in fact did say in advance that personnel acquisition with Snead as part of the acquisition collaboration team was good all the way back to 2012. I was one of those who defended him after 2016, in the wake of a lot of people questioning him. I sby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotewaterfield that if had been us on the other end we would still be complaining as well. Nothing unnatural about any of this. And if people said, well it wasn't just that one non-call, most would not listen. I think any effort to spin as if we would be different if it happened to us is just so obviously thin.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
First. Rams personnel acquistion has always been good. The "glitch" before was the occasional free agent who only came aboard because he was a former Fisher guy (and actually outside of that they were decent with FAs too). So for example imagine this team right now without Goff or Donald. ' Second, it is NEVER ever only Snead. He loves to take max credit when interviewed, but that dby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach He kicked a 57 yard FG. When the heck did this happen? The celebration? Antics in the locker room? At the Rams facility? Outside of football? No...really...he was fine when he kicked 57 yards. QuoteVincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore Apparently, as he returned to the field after halftime, he stepped on a part of the turf that had a steel plate underneath it and he essentby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRam Fan Teacher Hope he will be ok. Very important to the team! It's on ESPN and other sites. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013178/article/rams-kicker-greg-zuerlein-dealing-with-left-foot-strain Sounds like espn is sensationalizing it a bit. QuoteJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley McVay says PK Greg Zuerlein suffered a foot sprain on Sunday. Calls the walking boot precautionary. Saby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamgator Had the Rams gotten the face mask and scored a TD, they 'd be playing for a tie or STILL trying to catch up had the delay been called on the Saints TD earlier.I get what you are saying....If P.I. is called, Saints probably win but it not being called is not THE reason they lost. Football is SIXTY MINUTES and not one play. I mention that. But I wasn't discussing all the possibiby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSunTzu_vs_Camus his mindset is established even when he coulda used that strategy on 1st down instead of throwing it. In fact, Buck/Aikman were surprised he wasn't killing the clock already...so I'm not so sure the game was in the bag with the PI call...Payton seemed real really inent on getting a TD and so, I disagree with you that it was an automatic win for the Saints. Payton wanted toby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSunTzu_vs_Camus sorry, but the non INT call does not guarantee the Saints were gonna win...even if they had gotten the call. Games never come down to one play....let alone one non-call penalty. . I agree with a lot of what you say but not with that. If they got the PI call they would be in a position to run the clock down before kicking a FG. No time left for the Rams to tie it againby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamgator But for now, the should be pissed, like we would be. LOLOL I'd just hope that nobody hear would be bring a law suit in the picture and claiming "EMOTIONAL TRAUMA". Yeah no one here would, probably. ....by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamgator I would be HIGHLY HIGHLY pissed at that call! HIIIIGHLY!!! BUT.......eventually (And I mean it will / should take Saints fans a while), I would look at the WHOLE game and why it came to that no call. There were SEVERAL missed calls , there were several questionable coaching calls. Rams were flustered by the crowd noise....TRIED to give the Saints the game in the FIRST quarter butby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteThe_Zone Nothing is final until the final horn sounds.. Look as Rams fans we know what happened. If the Saints had just run the ball in that situation they would have drained time off the clock. It never gets down to one play, and the Saints still had chances to win. And so on. That's not going to be the narrative though. You get a decisive controversial call at the end of a bigby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit QuoteznAnd somewhere there's a handful of Saints fans saying the same thing. .... I like to think so. There would be a handful of Rams fans saying that too if the non-call happened to us. But not most of us. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteNewMexicoRam I'm still going to enjoy this SB. This Ram team is something special. And I truly believe McVay is going to a number of these over the coming years. That's not even an issue. No one in this conversation is saying Rams fans should not enjoy the win and not believe in the team. Far from it. It's just that non-Rams fans won't see it that way. I said it several timby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit Quotezn QuoteClassicalwit Quotezn QuoteClassicalwit Than I originally thought. People are not so upset about the non call in principal, but rather that the incident was at the end of the came. I actually talked to a Saints fan who was pretty upset, and get this, he said he didn't care about the non calls against the Rams (I mentioned the face mask near the Saints goal line) becaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteJamesJM I've been around here long enough to know that Payton's calls at the end of that game... had it been McVay... would not only have been mentioned on this board but HOTLY mentioned. As would the non-face mask calls had those been the Rams committing them. Would we be irate? You bet... like a firestorm... but far FAR from blithely ignoring of full context. - JamesJM That's a rby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamboni ...that as Rams fans we almost expect to be on the losing end of one of those plays. I don't have any such expectation. I don't think most do. There really is no difference. Fans are fans. If the non-call happens at a crucial point near the end of the game all fans, Rams fans or otherwise, feel cheated. If it happened to us we would feel cheated. There is no "difference.&qby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit Quotezn QuoteClassicalwit Than I originally thought. People are not so upset about the non call in principal, but rather that the incident was at the end of the came. I actually talked to a Saints fan who was pretty upset, and get this, he said he didn't care about the non calls against the Rams (I mentioned the face mask near the Saints goal line) because the Rams at least gotby zn - RamsFootballFans.com