QuoteBumRap oil and water are our post. for the record I hope I am oil rising to the top. you need both. I love water.:thumbsup I digress. My response to you is that what they will say at that time does not define what is said now. Just because I say a woman is good looking does not mean that when we start dating and I refer to her as beautiful that I did not think see was beautifulby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBumRap Was it that provocative? I really enjoyed reading and while I expect disagreement and a counter to almost anything I post I just must have missed some mischief cause I have not gotten upset or complained about any posters response. I don't have the time or passion to waste a lot of energy frustrating posters or getting frustrated. It just is not as big to me any more. I still love Ramby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotealyoshamucci DE) Maybe the best DE draft ever. Maybe. Great top end, great second tier. Im not even going to get into the players ... but Im certain to say that names like these will last till our pick in round 2 .. Lawson, Wormley, Walker, Chubb, Charleton, Wise, Fields ... and those guys are all special. They go in round two because there are THAT many special players ahead of them in rounby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBumRap He already is #2 so nothing has changed. I suggest he stated what he is allowed to say. I does not mean he is implying that being "ready" he is only capable of being #2. It is a coaching philosophy not a critical analysis. Coaches decision. The question was not whether he was #2, which everyone knew he was....the question is if they are confident playing him in case theby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLesBaker Cuz there are other things IMO. Boras said Goff is ready IF CALLED UPON. Meaning, to come in as a #2. That's all he said.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj I think after 5 years we can conclude that statement to be factually correct. Until the Rams under Fisher can post a winning season, his methods have been proven demonstrably (big words!) to be unsuccessful. I routinely say no one can prove that one approach is better than the other. So you're preaching to the choir director when you try the "turn the tables" movby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteguinnessram Quotezn I have never seen so many refutations to arguments that don't actually exist. ... I'm not arguing or refuting anything. I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to the guy whose post I quote in my response.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteIowaRam Does anyone do that anymore ? Well arguably there's less time because the wives are working too now. B) .by zn - Bucky's Pub
Quotezn QuoteRampage2K- Not having a first round pick sucks, but my god saying we have NO picks next year is hyperbolic nonsense. Yeah, they have picks. 7.if (as expected) they get a 4th round comp pick. 2 4ths to add to the other 5. ... If they have a 6th, as a post above suggests, then they obviously have 8 picks. Or ammo to trade up. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 I wouldn't put Alexander above McLeod but he's also not a joke. They're just one (credible) source of several but Pro Football Focus has him 10th out of 82 safeties they've rated. I don't know he's really that high but even if he's the 20th-25th best safety in the league right now then maybe letting McLeod go (who I did want re-signed) wasn't a bad idea.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 5 of their 6 picks were picked 110th overall or later. Not many 4th-7th round picks have done much through 7-8 games. Higbee is at least getting playing time. The only rookie TEs that have caught many passes yet are Henry and Hooper. Forrest is also their 3rd LB now and played well the past couple games. Let's give these guys a little more than 7 games. A good question woby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotecanuckramsfans Well, let's hope we get some 2017 rookies out of those 7 picks next year that actually contribute more towards Rams W's than the six guys we picked this year huh!!:rolleyes. I like this draft. Personally, I'm not impatient with it. I think if you look at Rams drafts objectively, they do well overall. .by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- Not having a first round pick sucks, but my god saying we have NO picks next year is hyperbolic nonsense. Yeah, they have picks. 7.if (as expected) they get a 4th round comp pick. 2 4ths to add to the other 5. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj Rivers sat behind Brees. Cousins sat behind a #1 draft pick that the Redskins paid dearly for. So again - which top 10 QB' since 2011 have redshirted their rookie season? Meaning, they all proved that you can develop a qb by sitting him. I dont care about the reasons for sitting. They sat, they developed. My point was that it is impossible to prove there is only oneby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj It's a bye week. We've got to have something to talk about. So for you "talking about" something means arguing with someone? On an issue where you can't win because it's impossible to prove what you want to claim? (That there is only one way to develop a qb.) Enough is enough. B)by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj Not Ryan. Not Stafford. ? First I don't understand the question. 2nd. Look...you want to drag this to the right margin in a "no one reads it" board war. The way I see it, if you could prove there is just one approach to developing qbs you would have by now. Well, you can't. And are coming up with increasingly weaker arguments as you try to. You just simply cby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj Are they worth keeping or not? Not sure? need to see some more starts? Pro QB is very complicated today. Takes some guys years to develop. Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan - playing some of their best ball now. So you picked 2 real examples out of 26 qbs drafted in rounds 1-3 from 2011 to 2015? (It's only 2...Tannenhill signed an extension.) Neither of which is partlcularlby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj The game has changed. Rosters are turning over faster and faster. You've got a smaller and smaller window to thread the needle. The jump pass used to work too. Not seeing it much these days. And why would it STOP working? Especially since not every starting qb these days started week 1 as a rookie. That includes Rivers, Carr, Cousins off the top of my head. See you'by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj There, that's the reason it's better to play them. It IS better. It's better for the team. If it's not good for the QB - too bad. They probably weren't going to be very good anyway. There. I'm saying it. No you don't. Instead what you do is break his initial learning curve into 2 stages. The mental stuff and film study and learning technique stuff, then taking reps in gby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj You need as large a sample size as possible with a QB to decide if he's worth extending. No you don't. You can tell within a decently short timeframe whether you want a guy to be your continuing starter in a second contract. That is it doesn't take that long to decide if you want to keep a guy. Certainly 5 years is way more than enough. Either way, it makes no differenby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj Are we a great team that can afford to sit our rookie? We look like some 7-9 BS again. There's not 2 extremes...rebuilding and great. There are a lot of runs in between. But you miss my point. I said that there is no evidence that starting a rookie right off is better than sitting him for a while. Your responses all indicate you think that one approach IS better thanby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
That;s all you're saying. Most high-picked qbs start as rookies since the new CBA. Most do it these days is not the same as "inherently the better approach." And most 1st round rookie qbs are starting because teams picking them were picking high because they were not very good and are therefore in rebuilding mode. They can live with the losing that comes from starting a rookie qby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Rookie scale era is different, but then there's no more incentive to start a rookie in that era than not. You have them for 5 years if they are 1st rounders in the new CBA. Either way, at one point or another, if you're going to keep a starting qb, he is going to cost around 20 M a year after either the 4th or 5th year. Most teams that pick qbs high are rebuilding so they are in a positioby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Rams, penalties, last 3 games, according to Teamrankings.com: 17th I assume they mean last 3 games played, not last 3 weeks in general, because that would count a bye week with zero penalties. B) Also Top 10 in most penalties, last 3 games. Oakland Miami Washington Baltimore Jacksonville Philadelphia Buffalo Denver Arizona Dallas .by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepoplarbluffman but both approaches don't work...just because you say it doesn't make it so Rodgers had a hof qb starting ahead of the rookie qb. and Rams are playing a backup at qb ahead of Goff...no future in that and just no time....there can't be 2/3 year plans..rookie sits 1st year, plays poorly 2nd and 3rd becomes a solid starter...1/2 of the team will be gone by year 4....unlesby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams_81 that the Rams commit more penalties than most of the other teams. I never have seen so many documented facts that can be verified that people will reply that it is an opinion. . I have never seen so many refutations to arguments that don't actually exist. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepoplarbluffman , Bradford, Ryan, wentz, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Stafford and Jameis Winston started right away is a fact not an opinion and Carr started by his 8th game is a fact not an opinion All that does is re-state half of what I said. Without addressing the rest. What I said was that there is no evidence, and/or no decent argument, demonstrating that one method (starting roby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotebigjimram21 You can't deny throwing 53 times in a 7 point game isn't winning football if you are not getting results, like scoring points. The Giants defense is crappy, you have got to score . It is beyond frustrating with this teams lackluster performance game after game. Yeah I watch em too. B) But my point was simple. All I said was, we really don't know what percentage of theby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBumRap My opinion is simply that Fisher's approach may seem to be logical but it is also lacking foresight or forward thinking. . Yeah that's an opinion. There's nothing behind it though that makes it true. You just take the fact that you prefer rookies to start sooner and act like that's on the side of foresight and forward thinking. To me that's just words. You're just dressing up an opiby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 and I stated in another post comparing Rodgers to Goff is a poor example because Rodgers was sitting behind on of the greatest of all time the others were from 12-15 years ago....things are different in today's NFL It doesn't matter. There is no compelling reason anyone can give why one method presumably works better than the other. You haven't named one. And I nameby zn - RamsFootballFans.com