Quotepoplarbluffman yep...some people just have to shoot the messenger I considered Mannion a solid #2 pick and just another bit of info about Goff's lack of development..I started that Goff bust? thread for a reason...something is up. Well a bad message is a bad message. I like Mannion too. That has nothing to do with it. But the guy has no real source that trumps what actual veterby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCraigMatson I'd trust the closer source more also saying Goff doing well. But I think there's also a lot to like about Mannion and some big mouth may be on his side, buzzing about him, Maybe even percolating a trade? Well first I agree that there's a lot to like about Mannion. That has nothing to do with this though. Because the claim is that the coaches are down on Goff. And addiby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Two different NFL sources told TodaysPigskin.com that the Rams coaching staff remains far more comfortable with Mannion as the next option and if this was a vacuum, Mannion would be the backup on game days, and the one preparing to take over the Rams offense after the next egregious Keenum throw. I've asked this before about this very article without getting one valid response.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteDeadpool They (IMO, you cannot talk about Snead without Fisher) have had what I would call hits on defense, but the offensive side of the ball has been downright brutal. 2012- Brian Quick, I. Pead, Chris Givens, Rok Watkins, Daryl Richardson - IMO that's 0 for 5 hits 2013 - Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Barrett Jones, Zac Stacy - IMO that's 0-4 hits 2014 - Greg Robinson, Tre Mason,by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteRams43 Goff is struggling so much that the coaches actually would prefer Mannion if Keenum is to be replaced. I didnt get anything like that from the fan-blogitorial and here's why. There's no reason to believe the writer. None that you can name. He cites another blog guy who says he has "NFL sources" who as it happens know what the Rams coaches think. (Cause..,.Rby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestlramz I don't think this source matters. Don't you agree that there is a limit to the number of consecutive losing seasons a coach can have. I used to think the limit is three but certainly five losing seasons in a row has to put someone on the hot seat. We;'re just not talking about the same things. I didn't even address the annual "coach replacement" rumor. (And no I donby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Goff is struggling so much that the coaches actually would prefer Mannion if Keenum is to be replaced. I didnt get anything like that from the fan-blogitorial and here's why. There's no reason to believe the writer. None that you can name. He cites another blog guy who says he has "NFL sources" who as it happens know what the Rams coaches think. (Cause..,.Rams coacby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteNewMexicoRam he had kept out of the personnel, and drafting, decisions. A genius with offense, but a dunce with personnel. The sad thing is, no one else left in the organization was much better. Armey was not the same without Vermeil. Then there was Zygmunt. ..by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteBlue and Gold A fan blogger cites him as offering inside info. If you're blogger Will Reeve do you try to cite this as authoritative: QuoteTwo separate NFL sources recently told John McMullen of Today’s Pigskin that the Rams’ coaching staff are far more comfortable with Mannion as the backup Notice that that's NFL sources, not Rams sources. Which begs the question--how doby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBlue and Gold A fan blogger cites him as offering inside info. If you're blogger Will Reeve do you try to cite this as authoritative: QuoteTwo separate NFL sources recently told John McMullen of Today’s Pigskin that the Rams’ coaching staff are far more comfortable with Mannion as the backup Notice that that's NFL sources, not Rams sources. Which begs the question--how do "Nby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Sooooo... What, exactly, is your point, zn? All is well and going according to plan? Lol. Well the plan was to raise a specific problem with the fan blogitorial. People then defended the blogitorial, largely I think because they agreed with it in advance in spite of it showing signs of being a typical very poorly sourced fan blogitorial, without addressing the objection. Tby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 First of all, thanks for posting, Mama. Well, what can I say? Fred Roggin is a VERY credible source, if this is accurate. And who in their right mind would drop his name if not true? Fisher being on the hot seat is not a stretch, although I expected Kroenke to give him the rest of the season. Goff? Well, let's face it. His being unable to see the field was an enigma, alreaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Will Reeve of Rams Wire cites John McMullen of FanRagSports.com and TodaysPigskin.com as a source. Hard to imagine anyone taking it seriously. Honestly. .by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach His job rating is near failure. Being competitive vs. not competitive is something losing fans can take to heart. I say it's @#$%&! Look at good drafting teams and see what their hit rate is. Good is 40% to high 40s. Excellent is 50% or better. Rams meet the 40+% benchmark. That's the reality. Rather than give your own personal sense of ennui and pseudo-debunby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43It seems reasonable to consider that either the wrong QB was picked or that Fisher and his crack O coaching staff lack development skills for a rookie QB. Or both. There's possibilities you don't consider. For example. The Rams are not a 2-14 or 3-13 team that's rebuilding and can afford to take the losses you get starting a rookie qb they picked high. (And the VAST majority of hby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLARams17 This was simply a curiosity of what fans here thought Fisher's comments meant in relation to when Goff would start. Most people have an opinion or at least had an expectation of the timing. Of course our opinions don't mean jack as Fisher's is the only opinion that counts and of course he left the timing open ended. I'm interested in the opinion of others re: Fisher's remarks aftby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLARams17 Just curious, when Fisher said Goff would start "sooner than later" ... when did you think he would start? None of the above. The remark is deliberately open-ended. It is meant to let them be flexible without any pre-determined deadline. They did the exact same thing last year with Gurley. So to me the comment about sooner rather than later is just yet another open-eby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteGreatRamNTheSky Quotezn QuotePHDram mannion went from a passer rating of a 67 in 2015 to 94 in 2016 but yeah...no development. B)- You could SEE the difference. Different qb in 2016. Not the same as 2015. And IMO he wasn't that bad in 2015. ... I thought about this when they made the trade. And this past summer Mannion confirmed it. Why didn't the coaches know what they haby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quote73Ram Quotepromomasterj Carr failed because he wasn't very good. As Michael Irvin said on NFL network QB's learn by playing - not by watching. Trevor Siemian learned by sitting. The truth is, regardless which self-important know-it-all (without real research) talking head we quote... ...league history is full of qbs who developed BOTH ways. Many by sitting. Many by playing. Tby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram mannion went from a passer rating of a 67 in 2015 to 94 in 2016 but yeah...no development. B)- You could SEE the difference. Different qb in 2016. Not the same as 2015. And IMO he wasn't that bad in 2015. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRFIP Quotezn QuoteRFIP Quotezn Quotezn Quotejemach But 3 holds is BS. He had three holds on one drive last week. What about QB pressures? How about the # of times GRobber needed help from a TE or HB to secure the edge? He stinks. GRobber is a bust! Your opinion of GR is noted. Source for my stats: What about qb hits? Rams are 9th best, meaning 23 teams have morby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteGreatRamNTheSky I am not going to deny that Fisher does have great insight on many things but his down fall is he can't admit when he 's wrong and when he does admit it well the season is over. He's a stick in the mud that will resist all who criticize him and become more entrenched when he should be open to other voices and ideas. I feel this is his last season and he's done as Rams cby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRFIP Quotezn Quotezn Quotejemach But 3 holds is BS. He had three holds on one drive last week. What about QB pressures? How about the # of times GRobber needed help from a TE or HB to secure the edge? He stinks. GRobber is a bust! Your opinion of GR is noted. Source for my stats: What about qb hits? Rams are 9th best, meaning 23 teams have more qb hits on the sby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotejemach But 3 holds is BS. He had three holds on one drive last week. What about QB pressures? How about the # of times GRobber needed help from a TE or HB to secure the edge? He stinks. GRobber is a bust! Your opinion of GR is noted. Source for my stats: What about qb hits? Rams are 9th best, meaning 23 teams have more qb hits on the season than the Ramby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRFIP QuotemaxI think Fisher won't play Goff until he feels sure that he gives him a better chance to win than Keenum. Now think back to the draft...hell think back to the TRADE... could you EVER in your WILDEST IMAGINATION think of a scenario where it would be week 8 (EIGHT!), the Rams would be 3-4...Keenum would be 8 td's / 10 int's 9with 3 pick 6's!!!) and a 77.5 rating AND OUR #1 OVby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestash maybe a correlation to Sean Mannion.... a) completely missed on a 3rd round pick QB OR b) cannot develop him 2 years later. Could be a pattern. Mannion did develop. So has Goff (according to reporters who have seen practices). Yes, then, there is a pattern. Just not the one you apparently think it is. B) .by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach But 3 holds is BS. He had three holds on one drive last week. What about QB pressures? How about the # of times GRobber needed help from a TE or HB to secure the edge? He stinks. GRobber is a bust! Your opinion of GR is noted. Source for my stats:by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram I agree that the opinions of various draft personalities was mixed. But the poster suggested "our regime" declared Goff the most pro ready. I may be wrong but I don't recall Fisher or anyone else connected to the rams saying that. But clearly they thought he would be the best for them in the long term. No I didn't address that part of it (what the Rams said) but you're riby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 Am I recalling wrong? I thought leading up to the draft Wentz was called much more pro ready because he played in a pro style offense, under center, audibled more, etc. Some claimed that Goff was more pro ready because of the level of opposition (v. Wentz) and because Cal's version of the Air Raid had him doing more things than typical spread qbs of that type usually do. So someby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteoldmanram They can make all the excuses they want about Greg Robinson. You hear his name called 3-4-5 times a game, that is just flat out no good for an O-Lineman. Did'nt we hear all this " I am going to clean this up stuff last yr ? 3-4-5 times a game is between 21 and 35 times this season. This year so far he has 2 false starts, 3 holding calls, and has given up 3 sacks. ..by zn - RamsFootballFans.com