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Re: It ain't me...

November 13, 2020 04:55AM
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ramBRO
Thanks for providing the information. It's very sobering. But I interpret it as being an advisory of what could happen given the increase in stressors due to the virus and state-sponsored mitigation efforts. Something that officials need to be aware of, but not necessarily a definite pre-cursor.

But this is where I BELIEVE zn's comments (in part) may have relevance. Despite these quantifiable stressors that could lead to an increase in suicide...they haven't materialized to such an anticipated level - which is a good thing.

Now, there could be a variety of reasons for this. But he (zn) seems to be arguing that the most severe government-sponsored mitigation efforts (i.e. strict stay-at-home orders, no gatherings, etc.) are no longer in place and haven't been in place for some time now (though I heard that Chicago may be revisiting their stay-at-home order soon). The easing of these types of restrictions (which only lasted for, what...60 days in the first place?) has likely eased those increased stressors. Whereas some at-risk individuals may contemplate suicide due to a lack of social interaction, they don't seem to be just because they have to wear a mask in Walmart; get their Starbucks coffee through the drive-thru; or, attend church outside in a parking lot. Businesses and institutions seem to have adapted for the most part to virus-mitigation efforts...and so have the people who might be at-risk to mental health challenges.

The last point that I'll raise deals with zn's comments on leadership. It's fairly clear that national leaders knew the severity this virus could bring to the country back in January of this year. If there was huge concern about how it might affect mental health, why wasn't there a ramping up of the "community-level intervention and prevention efforts, including health communication strategies, designed to reach these groups..." that "...could help address various mental health conditions associated with the Covid-19 pandemic" that was mentioned in the CDC information you posted? Same goes for robust financial assistance to businesses and individuals to keep them afloat?

If this country's leaders can spend billions/trillions to keep Wall St., General Motors, the airlines, and cruise ship industries alive...why can't they for people facing increased issues due to the opioid problem? The "increase in suicides" argument appears to be a purely political one with no current basis in reality.

All that, and info from the CDC indicates they are paying attention to mental health issues all over the board when it comes to this, including increased anxiety and increased suicidal ideation. They find a variety of things, and not just increased suicidal ideation associated with the USA's brief shut-in/lock-down efforts. There are at risk populations who are not reacting to being locked-in, but to the virus itself--that is, a primary source of anxiety is the vulnerability of those who have a higher likelihood of either getting the virus or of getting sick from it. These include people who are listed as "essential workers" (that's here, it's in the post: [ramsrule.com] ... and it's also in the quotation James provides).
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  (new thread) COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging.

zn931November 10, 2020 04:25PM

  Ain't no surprise here is it ?

waterfield193November 10, 2020 04:56PM

  agreed (nm)

zn188November 10, 2020 06:39PM

  It's going to just have to take it's course

NewMexicoRam196November 11, 2020 10:35AM

  Re: It's going to just have to take it's course

waterfield203November 11, 2020 11:06AM

  I don't think that's what he meant at all....

JamesJM174November 11, 2020 11:09AM

  Re: I don't think that's what he meant at all....

waterfield184November 11, 2020 11:24AM

  The suicides aren't the virus

NewMexicoRam179November 11, 2020 12:33PM

  Re: The suicides aren't the virus

waterfield180November 11, 2020 02:46PM

  there is no evidence of some "suicide" binge

zn197November 11, 2020 04:59PM

  no it's not, zn....

JamesJM261November 11, 2020 05:15PM

  there are studies demonstrating no rise in suicides

zn195November 11, 2020 08:06PM

  Yes, right, zn

NewMexicoRam199November 11, 2020 06:28PM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

zn178November 11, 2020 08:11PM

  I'm speaking about COVID cases and deaths

NewMexicoRam199November 12, 2020 08:14AM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

waterfield188November 11, 2020 08:14PM

  I ask the other side

NewMexicoRam185November 12, 2020 03:00AM

  Re: I ask the other side

waterfield182November 12, 2020 08:20AM

  Many suicides come from economic concerns

NewMexicoRam185November 12, 2020 08:55AM

  This is almost impossible to discuss...

JamesJM202November 12, 2020 09:02AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

zn217November 12, 2020 09:55AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

JamesJM179November 12, 2020 11:27AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

zn372November 12, 2020 11:54AM

  It ain't me...

JamesJM195November 12, 2020 12:06PM

  Re: It ain't me...

ramBRO189November 12, 2020 12:21PM

  Re: It ain't me...

JamesJM179November 12, 2020 12:25PM

  Re: It ain't me...

ramBRO224November 12, 2020 02:36PM

  Re: It ain't me...

zn209November 13, 2020 04:55AM

  An interesting point here is...

JamesJM199November 12, 2020 12:39PM

  Re: An interesting point here is...

zn186November 12, 2020 12:59PM

  Correlation vs Causation vs Coincidence

waterfield215November 12, 2020 02:42PM

  Good reply...

JamesJM176November 12, 2020 02:57PM

  sigh

zn287November 12, 2020 01:08PM

  No, that's double speak....

JamesJM189November 12, 2020 01:10PM

  Re: No, that's double speak....

zn207November 12, 2020 01:26PM

  You're doing it every post you make...

JamesJM186November 12, 2020 01:27PM

  Re: You're doing it every post you make...

zn195November 12, 2020 01:33PM

  You're deluded. (nm)

JamesJM171November 12, 2020 01:34PM

  more of the same

zn175November 12, 2020 01:41PM

  I could say the same...

JamesJM173November 12, 2020 01:42PM

  Re: I could say the same...

zn188November 12, 2020 01:48PM

  What?!?!?!? No one is arguing for lockdowns?!?!?!

NewMexicoRam201November 12, 2020 01:40PM

  gee I posted that 4 or 5 times and you just now caught it

zn250November 12, 2020 01:52PM

  Wow, zn

NewMexicoRam176November 12, 2020 03:14PM

  Re: Wow, zn

zn198November 12, 2020 07:59PM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

zn180November 12, 2020 03:31AM

  Let me give you another statistic

NewMexicoRam267November 12, 2020 04:30AM

  Re: Let me give you another statistic

zn183November 12, 2020 09:47AM

  C'mon, zn

NewMexicoRam168November 12, 2020 11:05AM

  Re: C'mon, zn

zn203November 12, 2020 11:10AM

  Zn, your last statement isn't even medically scientific

NewMexicoRam197November 12, 2020 01:03PM

  hunh?

zn174November 12, 2020 01:40PM

  Read more of JAMA

NewMexicoRam178November 12, 2020 01:42PM

  not some articles you agree with out of tons, consensus

zn198November 12, 2020 01:51PM

  So you have read ALL the JAMA articles on covid

PHDram178November 12, 2020 06:58PM

  what is the international scientific consensus

zn217November 12, 2020 07:57PM

  Working for the Fire Dept, I know there is collateral damage.

Ramgator214November 12, 2020 05:48AM

  I'm with you

NewMexicoRam169November 12, 2020 06:24AM

  I DO understand that it IS a concern.

Ramgator188November 12, 2020 06:59AM

  Of course.

NewMexicoRam209November 12, 2020 08:08AM

  and what you have there

zn196November 12, 2020 10:03AM

  Sorry but the media has done a CRAPPY job of toning down the hysteria.

Ramgator193November 12, 2020 10:39AM

  who is talking about "the media"

zn199November 12, 2020 11:17AM

  Re: who is talking about "the media"

ramBRO182November 12, 2020 11:59AM

  Negative!

Ramgator180November 12, 2020 01:58PM

  wait sorry

zn195November 12, 2020 02:16PM

  My reply was not about YOU!

Ramgator181November 12, 2020 02:04PM

  Re: My reply was not about YOU!

zn183November 12, 2020 02:21PM

  It has been up and down all year.

Ramgator198November 12, 2020 02:59PM

  Re: It has been up and down all year.

zn191November 12, 2020 03:02PM

  Problem with Florida is it is LOADED with people! Orlando...

Ramgator189November 12, 2020 03:08PM

  And ZN and Rambro....

Ramgator174November 12, 2020 03:13PM

  Re: And ZN and Rambro....

ramBRO205November 12, 2020 05:15PM

  Re: And ZN and Rambro....

zn188November 13, 2020 04:59AM

  that doesn;t matter

zn180November 12, 2020 08:10PM

  Re: that doesn;t matter

zn201November 12, 2020 08:22PM

  Masks, shutdowns, isolation... oh my...

Atlantic Ram189November 11, 2020 04:20PM

  Re: Masks, shutdowns, isolation... oh my...

zn191November 11, 2020 04:55PM

  No, it wouldn't

NewMexicoRam188November 11, 2020 06:25PM

  Good news on the subject

waterfield190November 11, 2020 03:03PM

  Re: Good news on the subject

zn190November 11, 2020 05:00PM

  pro/con lockdown talk in the news

zn215November 13, 2020 05:54AM

  ""no appetite" "

waterfield181November 13, 2020 07:04AM

  hard to say

zn193November 13, 2020 08:12AM

  I'm sure we all have differing opinions on that..

sstrams195November 13, 2020 09:52AM

  Re: I'm sure we all have differing opinions on that..

waterfield186November 13, 2020 10:53AM

  a sports writer on getting the virus

zn190November 13, 2020 04:37PM

  health workers getting dangerously overworked in the new virus surge

zn210November 13, 2020 06:41PM

  Re: (new thread) COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging.

canadaram229November 20, 2020 12:01PM

  what I heard about Canada

zn196November 20, 2020 12:11PM

  Re: what I heard about Canada

canadaram215November 20, 2020 01:51PM