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Re: It ain't me...

November 13, 2020 04:55AM
Thanks for providing the information. It's very sobering. But I interpret it as being an advisory of what could happen given the increase in stressors due to the virus and state-sponsored mitigation efforts. Something that officials need to be aware of, but not necessarily a definite pre-cursor.

But this is where I BELIEVE zn's comments (in part) may have relevance. Despite these quantifiable stressors that could lead to an increase in suicide...they haven't materialized to such an anticipated level - which is a good thing.

Now, there could be a variety of reasons for this. But he (zn) seems to be arguing that the most severe government-sponsored mitigation efforts (i.e. strict stay-at-home orders, no gatherings, etc.) are no longer in place and haven't been in place for some time now (though I heard that Chicago may be revisiting their stay-at-home order soon). The easing of these types of restrictions (which only lasted for, what...60 days in the first place?) has likely eased those increased stressors. Whereas some at-risk individuals may contemplate suicide due to a lack of social interaction, they don't seem to be just because they have to wear a mask in Walmart; get their Starbucks coffee through the drive-thru; or, attend church outside in a parking lot. Businesses and institutions seem to have adapted for the most part to virus-mitigation efforts...and so have the people who might be at-risk to mental health challenges.

The last point that I'll raise deals with zn's comments on leadership. It's fairly clear that national leaders knew the severity this virus could bring to the country back in January of this year. If there was huge concern about how it might affect mental health, why wasn't there a ramping up of the "community-level intervention and prevention efforts, including health communication strategies, designed to reach these groups..." that "...could help address various mental health conditions associated with the Covid-19 pandemic" that was mentioned in the CDC information you posted? Same goes for robust financial assistance to businesses and individuals to keep them afloat?

If this country's leaders can spend billions/trillions to keep Wall St., General Motors, the airlines, and cruise ship industries alive...why can't they for people facing increased issues due to the opioid problem? The "increase in suicides" argument appears to be a purely political one with no current basis in reality.

All that, and info from the CDC indicates they are paying attention to mental health issues all over the board when it comes to this, including increased anxiety and increased suicidal ideation. They find a variety of things, and not just increased suicidal ideation associated with the USA's brief shut-in/lock-down efforts. There are at risk populations who are not reacting to being locked-in, but to the virus itself--that is, a primary source of anxiety is the vulnerability of those who have a higher likelihood of either getting the virus or of getting sick from it. These include people who are listed as "essential workers" (that's here, it's in the post: [ramsrule.com] ... and it's also in the quotation James provides).

  (new thread) COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging.

zn165November 10, 2020 04:25PM

  Ain't no surprise here is it ?

waterfield23November 10, 2020 04:56PM

  agreed (nm)

zn10November 10, 2020 06:39PM

  It's going to just have to take it's course

NewMexicoRam26November 11, 2020 10:35AM

  Re: It's going to just have to take it's course

waterfield21November 11, 2020 11:06AM

  I don't think that's what he meant at all....

JamesJM21November 11, 2020 11:09AM

  Re: I don't think that's what he meant at all....

waterfield20November 11, 2020 11:24AM

  The suicides aren't the virus

NewMexicoRam22November 11, 2020 12:33PM

  Re: The suicides aren't the virus

waterfield21November 11, 2020 02:46PM

  there is no evidence of some "suicide" binge

zn23November 11, 2020 04:59PM

  no it's not, zn....

JamesJM27November 11, 2020 05:15PM

  there are studies demonstrating no rise in suicides

zn25November 11, 2020 08:06PM

  Yes, right, zn

NewMexicoRam21November 11, 2020 06:28PM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

zn14November 11, 2020 08:11PM

  I'm speaking about COVID cases and deaths

NewMexicoRam14November 12, 2020 08:14AM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

waterfield18November 11, 2020 08:14PM

  I ask the other side

NewMexicoRam18November 12, 2020 03:00AM

  Re: I ask the other side

waterfield16November 12, 2020 08:20AM

  Many suicides come from economic concerns

NewMexicoRam16November 12, 2020 08:55AM

  This is almost impossible to discuss...

JamesJM16November 12, 2020 09:02AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

zn25November 12, 2020 09:55AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

JamesJM18November 12, 2020 11:27AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

zn20November 12, 2020 11:54AM

  It ain't me...

JamesJM16November 12, 2020 12:06PM

  Re: It ain't me...

ramBRO17November 12, 2020 12:21PM

  Re: It ain't me...

JamesJM13November 12, 2020 12:25PM

  Re: It ain't me...

ramBRO17November 12, 2020 02:36PM

  Re: It ain't me...

zn18November 13, 2020 04:55AM

  An interesting point here is...

JamesJM17November 12, 2020 12:39PM

  Re: An interesting point here is...

zn12November 12, 2020 12:59PM

  Correlation vs Causation vs Coincidence

waterfield22November 12, 2020 02:42PM

  Good reply...

JamesJM13November 12, 2020 02:57PM


zn18November 12, 2020 01:08PM

  No, that's double speak....

JamesJM15November 12, 2020 01:10PM

  Re: No, that's double speak....

zn14November 12, 2020 01:26PM

  You're doing it every post you make...

JamesJM13November 12, 2020 01:27PM

  Re: You're doing it every post you make...

zn18November 12, 2020 01:33PM

  You're deluded. (nm)

JamesJM8November 12, 2020 01:34PM

  more of the same

zn12November 12, 2020 01:41PM

  I could say the same...

JamesJM13November 12, 2020 01:42PM

  Re: I could say the same...

zn14November 12, 2020 01:48PM

  What?!?!?!? No one is arguing for lockdowns?!?!?!

NewMexicoRam17November 12, 2020 01:40PM

  gee I posted that 4 or 5 times and you just now caught it

zn21November 12, 2020 01:52PM

  Wow, zn

NewMexicoRam20November 12, 2020 03:14PM

  Re: Wow, zn

zn20November 12, 2020 07:59PM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

zn13November 12, 2020 03:31AM

  Let me give you another statistic

NewMexicoRam19November 12, 2020 04:30AM

  Re: Let me give you another statistic

zn13November 12, 2020 09:47AM

  C'mon, zn

NewMexicoRam13November 12, 2020 11:05AM

  Re: C'mon, zn

zn12November 12, 2020 11:10AM

  Zn, your last statement isn't even medically scientific

NewMexicoRam18November 12, 2020 01:03PM


zn11November 12, 2020 01:40PM

  Read more of JAMA

NewMexicoRam13November 12, 2020 01:42PM

  not some articles you agree with out of tons, consensus

zn15November 12, 2020 01:51PM

  So you have read ALL the JAMA articles on covid

PHDram14November 12, 2020 06:58PM

  what is the international scientific consensus

zn13November 12, 2020 07:57PM

  Working for the Fire Dept, I know there is collateral damage.

Ramgator18November 12, 2020 05:48AM

  I'm with you

NewMexicoRam12November 12, 2020 06:24AM

  I DO understand that it IS a concern.

Ramgator13November 12, 2020 06:59AM

  Of course.

NewMexicoRam15November 12, 2020 08:08AM

  and what you have there

zn16November 12, 2020 10:03AM

  Sorry but the media has done a CRAPPY job of toning down the hysteria.

Ramgator11November 12, 2020 10:39AM

  who is talking about "the media"

zn15November 12, 2020 11:17AM

  Re: who is talking about "the media"

ramBRO18November 12, 2020 11:59AM


Ramgator14November 12, 2020 01:58PM

  wait sorry

zn15November 12, 2020 02:16PM

  My reply was not about YOU!

Ramgator14November 12, 2020 02:04PM

  Re: My reply was not about YOU!

zn10November 12, 2020 02:21PM

  It has been up and down all year.

Ramgator7November 12, 2020 02:59PM

  Re: It has been up and down all year.

zn9November 12, 2020 03:02PM

  Problem with Florida is it is LOADED with people! Orlando...

Ramgator13November 12, 2020 03:08PM

  And ZN and Rambro....

Ramgator14November 12, 2020 03:13PM

  Re: And ZN and Rambro....

ramBRO15November 12, 2020 05:15PM

  Re: And ZN and Rambro....

zn13November 13, 2020 04:59AM

  that doesn;t matter

zn16November 12, 2020 08:10PM

  Re: that doesn;t matter

zn21November 12, 2020 08:22PM

  Masks, shutdowns, isolation... oh my...

Atlantic Ram22November 11, 2020 04:20PM

  Re: Masks, shutdowns, isolation... oh my...

zn19November 11, 2020 04:55PM

  No, it wouldn't

NewMexicoRam19November 11, 2020 06:25PM

  Good news on the subject

waterfield22November 11, 2020 03:03PM

  Re: Good news on the subject

zn21November 11, 2020 05:00PM

  pro/con lockdown talk in the news

zn21November 13, 2020 05:54AM

  ""no appetite" "

waterfield22November 13, 2020 07:04AM

  hard to say

zn17November 13, 2020 08:12AM

  I'm sure we all have differing opinions on that..

sstrams14November 13, 2020 09:52AM

  Re: I'm sure we all have differing opinions on that..

waterfield17November 13, 2020 10:53AM

  a sports writer on getting the virus

zn14November 13, 2020 04:37PM

  health workers getting dangerously overworked in the new virus surge

zn21November 13, 2020 06:41PM

  Re: (new thread) COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging.

canadaram35November 20, 2020 12:01PM

  what I heard about Canada

zn13November 20, 2020 12:11PM

  Re: what I heard about Canada

canadaram12November 20, 2020 01:51PM