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Re: It ain't me...

November 12, 2020 12:21PM
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JamesJM
that I'm saying you're getting personal with... it's you having some time type of personal and vitriol reaction to anything whatsoever that doesn't fit your opinions on this.

You seem to have some real hangup with the term 'lockdown' and wish to so narrowly define it and it's ramifications that you can claim the results that ARE being seen are irrelevant. The CDC is claiming that the 'stress' being induced by the virus.. TO INCLUDE STRESS CAUSED BY LOCKDOWNS, not solely but included, are having detrimental effects on people. It's only common sense - my guess is that you're losing NO income from all this... neither am I, (unless you consider the stock market).... but how, with a straight face, can you say the loss of your income, in large part do to lockdowns, is no factor? - JamesJM


You raise a valid point, JamesJM. I can definitely see how a loss of income (directly or indirectly) due to the virus can lead to stress...which can lead to increases in suicide (or attempted suicide).

But just because I can envision it doesn't necessarily make it true. For that, I need to see some kind of proof. Now, because something like suicide is quantifiable (though underreported to an extent), it should be documented.

Can you please provide me with documented (not anecdoctal) evidence showing a significant increase in the number of suicides due to lockdowns (however you'd like to define that)?
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  (new thread) COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging.

zn164November 10, 2020 04:25PM

  Ain't no surprise here is it ?

waterfield22November 10, 2020 04:56PM

  agreed (nm)

zn9November 10, 2020 06:39PM

  It's going to just have to take it's course

NewMexicoRam24November 11, 2020 10:35AM

  Re: It's going to just have to take it's course

waterfield20November 11, 2020 11:06AM

  I don't think that's what he meant at all....

JamesJM20November 11, 2020 11:09AM

  Re: I don't think that's what he meant at all....

waterfield19November 11, 2020 11:24AM

  The suicides aren't the virus

NewMexicoRam20November 11, 2020 12:33PM

  Re: The suicides aren't the virus

waterfield19November 11, 2020 02:46PM

  there is no evidence of some "suicide" binge

zn22November 11, 2020 04:59PM

  no it's not, zn....

JamesJM26November 11, 2020 05:15PM

  there are studies demonstrating no rise in suicides

zn23November 11, 2020 08:06PM

  Yes, right, zn

NewMexicoRam20November 11, 2020 06:28PM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

zn13November 11, 2020 08:11PM

  I'm speaking about COVID cases and deaths

NewMexicoRam13November 12, 2020 08:14AM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

waterfield17November 11, 2020 08:14PM

  I ask the other side

NewMexicoRam16November 12, 2020 03:00AM

  Re: I ask the other side

waterfield15November 12, 2020 08:20AM

  Many suicides come from economic concerns

NewMexicoRam15November 12, 2020 08:55AM

  This is almost impossible to discuss...

JamesJM15November 12, 2020 09:02AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

zn23November 12, 2020 09:55AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

JamesJM17November 12, 2020 11:27AM

  Re: This is almost impossible to discuss...

zn19November 12, 2020 11:54AM

  It ain't me...

JamesJM15November 12, 2020 12:06PM

  Re: It ain't me...

ramBRO15November 12, 2020 12:21PM

  Re: It ain't me...

JamesJM12November 12, 2020 12:25PM

  Re: It ain't me...

ramBRO16November 12, 2020 02:36PM

  Re: It ain't me...

zn17November 13, 2020 04:55AM

  An interesting point here is...

JamesJM16November 12, 2020 12:39PM

  Re: An interesting point here is...

zn11November 12, 2020 12:59PM

  Correlation vs Causation vs Coincidence

waterfield21November 12, 2020 02:42PM

  Good reply...

JamesJM11November 12, 2020 02:57PM

  sigh

zn17November 12, 2020 01:08PM

  No, that's double speak....

JamesJM14November 12, 2020 01:10PM

  Re: No, that's double speak....

zn13November 12, 2020 01:26PM

  You're doing it every post you make...

JamesJM11November 12, 2020 01:27PM

  Re: You're doing it every post you make...

zn17November 12, 2020 01:33PM

  You're deluded. (nm)

JamesJM7November 12, 2020 01:34PM

  more of the same

zn11November 12, 2020 01:41PM

  I could say the same...

JamesJM12November 12, 2020 01:42PM

  Re: I could say the same...

zn13November 12, 2020 01:48PM

  What?!?!?!? No one is arguing for lockdowns?!?!?!

NewMexicoRam15November 12, 2020 01:40PM

  gee I posted that 4 or 5 times and you just now caught it

zn19November 12, 2020 01:52PM

  Wow, zn

NewMexicoRam18November 12, 2020 03:14PM

  Re: Wow, zn

zn18November 12, 2020 07:59PM

  Re: Yes, right, zn

zn12November 12, 2020 03:31AM

  Let me give you another statistic

NewMexicoRam18November 12, 2020 04:30AM

  Re: Let me give you another statistic

zn12November 12, 2020 09:47AM

  C'mon, zn

NewMexicoRam12November 12, 2020 11:05AM

  Re: C'mon, zn

zn11November 12, 2020 11:10AM

  Zn, your last statement isn't even medically scientific

NewMexicoRam17November 12, 2020 01:03PM

  hunh?

zn10November 12, 2020 01:40PM

  Read more of JAMA

NewMexicoRam12November 12, 2020 01:42PM

  not some articles you agree with out of tons, consensus

zn13November 12, 2020 01:51PM

  So you have read ALL the JAMA articles on covid

PHDram13November 12, 2020 06:58PM

  what is the international scientific consensus

zn12November 12, 2020 07:57PM

  Working for the Fire Dept, I know there is collateral damage.

Ramgator17November 12, 2020 05:48AM

  I'm with you

NewMexicoRam11November 12, 2020 06:24AM

  I DO understand that it IS a concern.

Ramgator11November 12, 2020 06:59AM

  Of course.

NewMexicoRam14November 12, 2020 08:08AM

  and what you have there

zn15November 12, 2020 10:03AM

  Sorry but the media has done a CRAPPY job of toning down the hysteria.

Ramgator10November 12, 2020 10:39AM

  who is talking about "the media"

zn14November 12, 2020 11:17AM

  Re: who is talking about "the media"

ramBRO16November 12, 2020 11:59AM

  Negative!

Ramgator12November 12, 2020 01:58PM

  wait sorry

zn14November 12, 2020 02:16PM

  My reply was not about YOU!

Ramgator11November 12, 2020 02:04PM

  Re: My reply was not about YOU!

zn9November 12, 2020 02:21PM

  It has been up and down all year.

Ramgator6November 12, 2020 02:59PM

  Re: It has been up and down all year.

zn8November 12, 2020 03:02PM

  Problem with Florida is it is LOADED with people! Orlando...

Ramgator12November 12, 2020 03:08PM

  And ZN and Rambro....

Ramgator12November 12, 2020 03:13PM

  Re: And ZN and Rambro....

ramBRO14November 12, 2020 05:15PM

  Re: And ZN and Rambro....

zn12November 13, 2020 04:59AM

  that doesn;t matter

zn14November 12, 2020 08:10PM

  Re: that doesn;t matter

zn20November 12, 2020 08:22PM

  Masks, shutdowns, isolation... oh my...

Atlantic Ram20November 11, 2020 04:20PM

  Re: Masks, shutdowns, isolation... oh my...

zn18November 11, 2020 04:55PM

  No, it wouldn't

NewMexicoRam18November 11, 2020 06:25PM

  Good news on the subject

waterfield21November 11, 2020 03:03PM

  Re: Good news on the subject

zn19November 11, 2020 05:00PM

  pro/con lockdown talk in the news

zn20November 13, 2020 05:54AM

  ""no appetite" "

waterfield20November 13, 2020 07:04AM

  hard to say

zn16November 13, 2020 08:12AM

  I'm sure we all have differing opinions on that..

sstrams13November 13, 2020 09:52AM

  Re: I'm sure we all have differing opinions on that..

waterfield16November 13, 2020 10:53AM

  a sports writer on getting the virus

zn13November 13, 2020 04:37PM

  health workers getting dangerously overworked in the new virus surge

zn20November 13, 2020 06:41PM

  Re: (new thread) COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging.

canadaram31November 20, 2020 12:01PM

  what I heard about Canada

zn13November 20, 2020 12:11PM

  Re: what I heard about Canada

canadaram10November 20, 2020 01:51PM