January 26, 2021 05:32PM | Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 16,078
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I don't believe for one second that McVay and Snead are making whatever decision they are on Goff based on 4 bad games this year. I'm certain they're not even making their decisions solely based on this year's production.
Yes you can believe things but the price in doing it is to make McV/Snead infallible.
So say it right here, declare it. According to you, Goff will never rebound with anyone, ever, for the rest of his entire career.
You willing to declare that?
Because if you hesitate a little, you;re taking back the McVay/Snead infallibility.
In which case, probably more than you maybe like, there's a hint of doubt--maybe like Ryan after 2015 he can rebound. I mean after all as bad as the worst games were this year, they were not as bad as Wentz. As bad as some games were this year, he still got the 4th highest qb rating of all playoff qbs. So as I am fond of saying--maybe it's not really all that cut n dried and categorical and absolute. Like saying he NEVER plays well under pressure when we know there are key games where he has.
I assume what I will get is some kind of dodge whereby the question does not get answered. I will take that also as hesitation.
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I originally thought Goff would be an elite QB. (pretty sure I was the first person on this board to advocate for him since I posted in Jan 2016 that the Rams should be bold and trade up for this guy named Jared Goff.)
Since then, I've decided based on year's of evaluation that he will never be elite, he's an average QB, and not a QB that it's wise to pay $35-$40M for. In fairness, I would argue the same about Ryan. It's too hard to win with guys of that caliber.
I don't know how you're defining rebound but no I do not think that Goff is a QB that can lead his team to wins year after year through the gauntlet of tough playoff games and the SB. No, I don't see him rebounding to consistently being what he was in 2017/early 2018. So cut bait.
I don't think that McVay or Snead are infallible but they do have more facts than us and put more effort and energy into trying to get this right because their jobs are on the line.
And since they've done a good job up to this point, I trust them. End of story for me.
I never thought Goff would be elite but I was defending him in 2016 and arguing he could be good.
I think he is better than average and that given the right circumstances he will show that.
So you are now on record and saying he cannot rebound and play well (let's say top 10 qb rating). I don't accept your "lead through the playoffs to a superbowl" standard because there's a long list of qbs who only did that once--Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Rivers...Marino...etc.
Anyway. That aside. Good, glad you declared and put in.
And it's not a contest. If he does rebound and show he is better than average, I assume you would actually be glad for him, and if it's as a Rams qb, glad for us too.
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