January 26, 2021 04:50PM | Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 16,078
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zn
See this is what it's going to get down to. To you it's okay coaching to basically say in public our qb has regressed, because you believe he has regressed.
But right now there's no football gods decision as to who is right in the Goff debate.
The other side is actually a lot of arguments but I will give one version. Goff had 4 bad games including 2 especially bad ones but also showed at the same time enough stuff to believe he can rebound. That stuff includes having the 4th highest qb rating in the playoffs.
Do you work with that qb or jettison him? From a winning team? That was a winning team with that guy at qb?
Again no football gods are declaring a winner in that debate. It's opinion v. opinion, with different sides emphasizing different facts.
What I do is look at history. Like this on Matt Ryan:
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This past season, however, Ryan hit a bit of a speed bump. He turned the ball over a career high amount of times and consistently was not the clutch player of years past. There was a marked step back taken in Ryan’s level of play leaving a lot of fans wondering what was the cause.
That's from 2015.
In 2016 he was the AP league MVP, got the highest qb rating of his career (117.1), had 38 TDs to 7 INTs...ie he rebounded.
Prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Goff is incapable of rebounding. You can't, any more than I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can and will rebound.
What I do know is that it is unusual to throw a franchise qb under the bus like this, and it certainly doesn't help you improve that qb by doing it.
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I can (and have) point out that the guy missed reads and rush threats all season long. He has two years of subpar performance on a roster that just got to the divisional round. The NFL is a business my man. No QB is going to be secure after two consecutive seasons of being in the 20s in passer rating. So you want to talk debate knock yourself out but there isn't one. Not in reality. The Rams are going to look to improve as they should across the board on offense to include QB.
My annoyance with 49 here is the Shaw reference. I mean c'mon. I get going with hyperbole but that's so far off the reservation it's not even funny.
The debate is in reality, between people all over the net in different forums, going at it.
In terms of "2 years"---well again remember, 2019 had OL disarray, and as many of us keep saying--and no one has once disproven (going back to 2007 when the qb the problem OL tripped up was Bulger)--the vast majority of qbs do not do as well under those conditions.
In terms of the negatives you focus on from this year, tell me none of that happened to Ryan in 2015. But he rebounded.
There;s a real debate, the football gods haven't decided it, and there are a lot of people in the debate who declare their opinions final truths. Including people with coaching backgrounds who routinely watch the all-22 but are on the other side from you on this. And there's also a lot of people who are more optimistic about Goff than you are that do the "I am just right, it's a done deal, why are you debating, I just handed you the truth" thing too. Just from the other side. Comes with the territory--debate always includes that.
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2021 05:09PM by zn.
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