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April 08, 2019 04:40AM
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stlramz
In fact, "consider the source" is an argument that is well accepted in the Courts where the whole point is to try and eliminate bias.

The fact that someone has been shown to have given materially false testimony in the past, has committed a crime of moral turpitude, has been convicted of a felony, are all relevant to what the "source" is saying now i.e., that it should be viewed with distrust or skeptically.

I am sure when you review posts here at the herd, you "consider the source".

In fact, there are certain posters that I absolutely read religiously because they are a "source" that has been shown to be reliable and worthy of reading while others . . . not so much.

I don't think an analogy with a court of law holds. For one thing you're using the word "source" too liberally. The other is, an article and whether or not it's valid has very little in common with testimony in a court of law.

"Consider the source" in cases like this are a distraction, and a weak one, when that venue (it's a venue not a source) provides multiple actual sources. You don't dismiss real evidence by showing a prejudice against the venue.

And of course in this case there is nothing remotely similar to saying the venue in this case, Bleacher Report, OR the particular reporter, have given materially false testimony of any kind in the past. So that part of the analogy does not hold either.

What we have here is ignoring actual evidence because of the venue, when in fact there is no evidence that the venue (BR) has regularly published materially false articles.

It's a bad analogy all the way around I am afraid.

The equivalent in a court of law would be to dismiss the evidence of any witnesses from San Diego BECAUSE they are from San Diego.

On top of it bad arguments everywhere of all kinds in all contexts are often driven by the "smear and discredit" move. That's why boards like this have rules against ad hominem attacks, since those are not real arguments. Again, you cannot dismiss ACTUAL evidence that way. Not without showing a bias of your own.

A poster is not a "source" either. A poster offers opinions and interpretations. Yes we all have our biases when it comes to that and prefer some over others and for different reasons. That too does not hold as an analogy in this case to an article that provided lots of different first-hand accounts. What has to be dealt with in this case is those first-hand accounts from insiders, not the fact that a particular venue published it.

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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2019 05:09AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  BleacherReport: How Huge Egos Destroyed the Packers

MamaRAMa1135April 04, 2019 08:51AM

  Wow

BC Ramsfan315April 04, 2019 01:09PM

  Re: Wow

oldschoolramfan317April 05, 2019 05:03AM

  Re: Wow

zn236April 06, 2019 05:24AM

  Very skeptical about all this.

RockRam255April 05, 2019 05:50AM

  I'm less skeptical.

Ramboni287April 05, 2019 07:42AM

  Re: I'm less skeptical.

waterfield299April 05, 2019 08:28AM

  Re: I'm less skeptical.

Ramboni193April 05, 2019 08:48AM

  Re: I'm less skeptical.... Very Well said..... nm

RAMbler167April 05, 2019 10:02AM

  Other than this one article, what evidence do you have?

RockRam164April 05, 2019 10:56AM

  The Quotes

Ramboni197April 05, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: Other than this one article, what evidence do you have?

zn144April 06, 2019 06:05AM

  Re: I read an article about Fake news

hammer350April 05, 2019 04:03PM

  Re: I read an article about Fake news

stlramz149April 07, 2019 11:37AM

  it's based on direct quotations from named sources

zn205April 05, 2019 04:08PM

  Indeed

Suh-weet!195April 06, 2019 10:11AM

  another article on this

zn216April 05, 2019 04:06PM

  Same source: the B/R. They are becoming the MSNBC of sports

RockRam308April 06, 2019 04:34AM

  attacking a "source" is no argument

zn362April 06, 2019 05:20AM

  It certainly is a good argument.

RockRam180April 06, 2019 05:50AM

  Re: It certainly is a good argument.

Ramboni206April 06, 2019 09:16AM

  Re: It certainly is a good argument.

zn200April 06, 2019 09:39AM

  It is a valid argument.

stlramz151April 07, 2019 11:40AM

  have to disagree

zn211April 08, 2019 04:40AM

  Re: Valid but weak...

dzrams127April 08, 2019 09:45AM

  Re: Valid but weak...

zn131April 08, 2019 09:55AM

  Re: Valid but weak...

Rams43132April 08, 2019 10:07AM

  cant both be true?

PHDram134April 08, 2019 10:16AM

  Re: cant both be true?

zn289April 08, 2019 10:33AM

  The odds of the latter happening

PHDram127April 08, 2019 10:54AM

  Re: The odds of the latter happening

zn329April 08, 2019 11:32AM

  Re: The odds of the latter happening

PHDram281April 08, 2019 11:52AM

  Re: The odds of the latter happening

zn124April 08, 2019 11:59AM

  griffen, george, aikmen, harbaugh

PHDram127April 08, 2019 12:27PM

  Re: griffen, george, aikmen, harbaugh

zn137April 08, 2019 03:01PM

  Re: Maybe you're missing the issue...

dzrams138April 08, 2019 06:05PM

  It boils down to beauty not dislike

PHDram310April 08, 2019 06:59PM

  some around the Green Bay Packers believe the team has been adversely affected by his personality

zn318April 06, 2019 06:01AM

  Re: some around the Green Bay Packers believe the team has been adversely affected by his personality

bigjimram21300April 07, 2019 07:53PM

  While I think Mccarthy was a subpar coach

Rams_81199April 07, 2019 05:57AM

  McCarthy may have not been the best coach..but

LA_Ram_#29160April 08, 2019 06:13PM

  'It is 100 percent patently false' - Rodgers

moklerman193April 08, 2019 09:52PM