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not a pertinent rule in fact it's not a rule

January 31, 2018 08:55AM
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stlramz
SECTION 2 EXTRAORDINARILY UNFAIR ACTS
ARTICLE 1. COMMISSIONER AUTHORITY. The Commissioner has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate
disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game
which he deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action
has a major effect on the result of the game

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Kind of like the basic speed law --- you are not allowed to drive faster than conditions allow or pornography which Potter Stewart famously said, you know it when you see it, this provision would CLEARLY subject a team that steals signals - say for example - by hiring an ex-Mosad agent to tap into the coaches headsets to STEAL SIGNALS.

You might say it doesn't but I don't think reasonable people would argue that it would be a tactic that is "so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game."

You;re just fishing I am afraid.

See teams in the league have a long long history of doing, knowing about, defending against, and having to put up with stolen signals.

That's why the league does not police stolen signals NOR their use---which has certainly happened before and was not something the Patriots invented. The policy is, and has been for a long time (long before Kraft and Goddell) that security is up to individual teams.

So they would have no reason to suddenly violate a longstanding policy in this case.

And in fact stolen signals are so common throughout league history that frankly it's just a pure stretch to claim that it's "EXTRAORDINARILY unfair." I mean if they WANTED to police that sort of thing, they could easily have put in a rule against stealing signals or using stolen signals long before now. And, they didn't.

What you offered there was a definition of the commissioner's powers, and then tried to stretch it to cover this. But all you have is the purely subjective claim that this instance of using stolen signals, as opposed to every single other instance in league history, is for some reason "extraordinary."

That's so unlikely that out of all the legal and journalistic accounts of spygate, going back years and including US senators, you're the first to try and make that stretch. Everyone else, including people with legal training and knowledge of the league and vested interest, never even bothered.

Since you searched, though, you can at least verify that the league has no rules against stealing signals nor in fact using stolen signals. Which again makes the entire "destroyed evidence" mantra irrelevant. Evidence of what? Nothing. The Patz violated a rule, were called on it, were punished for it, and there is no other pertinent rule.





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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2018 09:00AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Spagnuolo: Patriots Are Cheaters

Ram491458January 29, 2018 08:48PM

  Preach it Steve!

stlramz468January 29, 2018 08:58PM

  Way to go, Spag's!

brgjoe372January 29, 2018 10:57PM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

MamaRAMa350January 30, 2018 03:25AM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

zn357January 30, 2018 03:45AM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

MamaRAMa458January 30, 2018 04:23AM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

Speedball89296January 30, 2018 08:09AM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

VANRAM315January 30, 2018 01:43PM

  Would be Justice

EastRam287January 30, 2018 01:52PM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

zn363January 30, 2018 02:02PM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

Speedball89272January 30, 2018 07:19PM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

Ekern55273January 31, 2018 08:54AM

  Moot point to argue that...

max299January 30, 2018 04:30AM

  you misread

zn400January 30, 2018 09:11PM

  Re: you misread

max262January 31, 2018 01:22AM

  Re: Moot point to argue that...

Ekern55258January 31, 2018 08:58AM

  Wait a minute

waterfield291January 31, 2018 09:42AM

  Re: Wait a minute

Ekern55387January 31, 2018 09:59AM

  Re: Wait a minute

waterfield382January 31, 2018 03:43PM

  Re: Moot point to argue that...

Ramsdude263January 31, 2018 11:32AM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

Rampage2K-294January 30, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: Way to go, Spag's!

Ekern55410January 31, 2018 08:41AM

  Also, other breaking news from this report.........

Paydirt384January 30, 2018 03:59AM

  Can someone post the text from the article?

RamsFanSince69277January 30, 2018 05:36AM

  Philly.com article

MamaRAMa304January 30, 2018 05:41AM

  Thanks Mama!

RamsFanSince69281January 30, 2018 06:00AM

  Article: Orlando Pace Still Bitter About Patriots

Ram49349January 30, 2018 06:31AM

  Re: Spagnuolo: Patriots Are Cheaters

Ramkind322January 30, 2018 07:48AM

  Ramkind

21Dog284January 30, 2018 03:15PM

  Re: Ramkind

waterfield251January 31, 2018 07:42AM

  Re: Spagnuolo: Patriots Are Cheaters

Ekern55240January 31, 2018 10:24AM

  this will all come out 20 years from now

ferragamo79362January 30, 2018 09:00AM

  One of the most bizarre things I've seen in sports

Ram49333January 30, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: One of the most bizarre things I've seen in sports

Ramsdude292January 30, 2018 01:04PM

  Re: I think it all comes down after Sunday's game.

oldschoolramfan303January 30, 2018 01:13PM

  Its stunning it's dismissed

Ram49306January 30, 2018 01:14PM

  Re: Its stunning it's dismissed

Ramsdude303January 30, 2018 01:30PM

  that's an empty argument

zn305January 30, 2018 10:31PM

  Re: that's an empty argument

Ramsdude511January 31, 2018 03:11AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

zn306January 31, 2018 03:29AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

max268January 31, 2018 05:40AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

zn338January 31, 2018 06:03AM

  "Of course it helped them" = Cheating! (nm)

RAMbler277January 31, 2018 06:26AM

  Don't you think...

DaJudge288January 31, 2018 10:54AM

  Huh?

zn245January 31, 2018 02:17PM

  Re: that's an empty argument

max269January 31, 2018 07:16AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

MamaRAMa290January 31, 2018 07:31AM

  Argghhh!

NewMexicoRam258January 31, 2018 09:18AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

zn272January 31, 2018 07:42AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

max268January 31, 2018 08:56AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

zn274January 31, 2018 02:19PM

  Re: that's an empty argument

Shaky298February 01, 2018 12:24AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

Shaky283February 01, 2018 12:26AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

Ekern55263January 31, 2018 10:42AM

  Rule 17, Section 2, Article 1

stlramz451January 31, 2018 07:53AM

  not a pertinent rule in fact it's not a rule

zn251January 31, 2018 08:55AM

  Re: that's an empty argument

Ekern55259January 31, 2018 10:40AM

  Wrong

Ram49277January 31, 2018 10:45AM

  not

zn257January 31, 2018 02:11PM

  Re: not

Ekern55269January 31, 2018 05:57PM

  Re: not

zn270January 31, 2018 07:02PM

  The destroyed tape is what kills me.

stlramz274January 31, 2018 07:42AM

  there are plenty of reasons for that and they have been listed several times

zn421January 31, 2018 07:43AM

  Questions

Ram49455January 31, 2018 10:44AM

  my question

zn274January 31, 2018 02:13PM

  I cheered as loud as I would have for the Rams when...

NewMexicoRam269January 31, 2018 09:06AM

  IMO there are ways to get ready for a team you are playing.....

roman18295January 31, 2018 12:08PM

  Re: IMO there are ways to get ready for a team you are playing.....

Ekern55391January 31, 2018 06:08PM

  Re: IMO there are ways to get ready for a team you are playing.....

Ramkind277January 31, 2018 07:01PM

  this pretty much sums it up right here ....

Rampage2K-682January 31, 2018 08:57PM