January 21, 2018 03:42AM
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RockRam
If $20 + mil is the market, then it's the market. As much as it makes me cringe. And you either pay it or not.
I hear people on this board make the claim that sure, the Rams can pay it and not have any effect on their ability to sign other players. Well, that simply defies the laws of math.

People making the claim about Donald, like me, aren't saying what you apparently think they are AND we are very aware of the math. RR, old friend, you;'re just fighting there with your own misread.

The Rams have the cap space NOW, before any adjustments such as cuts, to sign Donald, Joyner, and Watkins. There are math based and cap aware reasons for saying that.

For one, no contract simply gets divided evenly from year to year. No one with a Rams contract that averages 20 M a year gets doled out 20 M each and every year. This is a very important fact about Rams contract structures. With extensions especially, they tend to put the biggest hit in the SECOND year of the contract.

That's what happened with Quinn for example. He signed an extension in 2014. That deal averaged around 14.25 M a year. But no single year was actually 14.25 M AND the the biggest cap hit year was 2015, not 2014 (it was 16.7+ M). The following years on that deal are in the 10, 11, and 13 M range.

That means something very important in these discussions. It means that the Rams tend to use future cap space to do big extensions and big contracts. So if they do that with Donald, it means that they can park the largest cap hit in 2019 instead of 2018. That takes some pressure off of the 2018 cap and makes a deal more easily doable.

So that's one thing.

Another is that absolutely no one ever said that signing Donald would have NO effect. Speaking for myself, I said that they can sign Donald, Joyner, and Watkins this year based on the cap space they have, and they can do it without cutting anyone (which doesn't mean they won't cut anyone...it;s not a prediction). That's just true. Based on the math.

BUT I ALSO said that that means that if they do it that way then they probably can't buy any high market FAs.

I think you got all that mixed up somehow and turned it into things no one said. No one is ignoring the math. We're doing the math. In my case anyway, the math is the prime basis for what I'm saying about signing Donald.

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  Would you be willing to pay AD......

Los Angeles Lenny822January 20, 2018 02:01PM

  Re: Would you be willing to pay AD......

Rams43186January 20, 2018 02:10PM

  he's going to get more than 20.

zn228January 20, 2018 02:13PM

  Scary because I think you're right

RamUK218January 20, 2018 02:19PM

  don't agree

zn186January 20, 2018 02:28PM

  So you think he's delivered $19m worth of value?

RamUK204January 20, 2018 03:26PM

  it doesn't work that way

zn191January 20, 2018 05:06PM

  Thanks for enlightening me (nm)

RamUK158January 20, 2018 05:21PM

  just how I see it

zn213January 20, 2018 05:24PM

  Re: So you think he's delivered $19m worth of value?

VANRAM192January 21, 2018 12:42PM

  Who was a non factor?

jemach157January 21, 2018 12:51PM

  Re: Who was a non factor?

VANRAM201January 21, 2018 01:09PM

  Aaron Donald was not the issue in the Atlanta game...

jemach154January 21, 2018 03:27PM

  Re: I couldn't disagree with this statement more...

dzrams276January 21, 2018 03:59PM

  Re: don't agree

Rams43165January 20, 2018 04:00PM

  Philips puts Donald in the class of dominate player...

jemach127January 21, 2018 07:18AM

  and to drive that point home.

zn157January 21, 2018 07:22AM

  Yes and no

RFIP227January 21, 2018 05:13AM

  I'd pay him 25.

alyoshamucci189January 20, 2018 03:00PM

  they don't need to do that (say bye to anyone)

zn161January 20, 2018 05:14PM

  Re: Would you be willing to pay AD......

Classicalwit187January 20, 2018 03:29PM

  Enough to keep him a Ram for his career...

jemach187January 20, 2018 07:25PM

  +1

stlramz172January 20, 2018 09:42PM

  Not so simple.

RockRam143January 21, 2018 02:32AM

  no it doesn't

zn178January 21, 2018 03:42AM

  How is it...

jemach161January 21, 2018 06:28AM

  Re: Not so simple.

dzrams148January 21, 2018 04:08PM

  If the Rams rip up the last year of his contract

no name338January 21, 2018 04:51AM

  Re: If the Rams rip up the last year of his contract

zn167January 21, 2018 05:16AM

  Re: And there lies the problem........

oldschoolramfan142January 21, 2018 05:47AM

  because he was injured

zn147January 21, 2018 05:59AM

  Re: "Rams need to get creative."

oldschoolramfan141January 21, 2018 07:32AM

  Joe Flacco

Los Angeles Lenny184January 21, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: Joe Flacco

zn159January 21, 2018 07:59AM

  What’s best for the team, overall?

Rams43145January 21, 2018 08:20AM

  I will go as far as saying this...

Los Angeles Lenny176January 21, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: I will go as far as saying this...

Rams43140January 21, 2018 08:37AM

  I hear ya 43

Los Angeles Lenny253January 21, 2018 08:41AM

  I'm not ready to bestow greatness on Goff

jemach287January 21, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: I will go as far as saying this...

dzrams241January 21, 2018 04:21PM

  I'll add this...

jemach143January 21, 2018 09:50AM

  Re: I'll add this...

Los Angeles Lenny155January 21, 2018 09:57AM

  Re: I'll add this...

Rams43121January 21, 2018 12:24PM