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Re: Good points (nm)

August 09, 2017 01:45PM
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The overall way you are looking at things is perfectly fine. It just appears to me to be a little outdated in a few areas.

The first area is in the valuation of a DT and specifically a pass rushing DT. 50 years ago the value of a DT was probably in line with what you state here. But in the last 20 years, the game has changed a lot. Offenses are much more high scoring and dynamic (thanks Mike Martz). Rules have changed to further bolster that trend. It’s now a passing league. Defenses have adjusted to that reality. So now, ANY defender, at ANY position that is great at rushing the passer is the highest valued commodity. The salaries that NFL executives are handing out to pass rushers - whether DE, OLB, or DT – verify this.

Secondly, I think you underestimate the value of pass rushing in Wade’s D. Yes, it’s been said that his defense is designed for Dbacks to shine. However, Wade himself has said that pass rushing is critical to his defense. His is no different than any other modern D in that regard. In fact, the primary reason he likes the 3-4 is because it affords him the ability to generate a better pass rush using the element of surprise. Phillips is about as aggressive with rushing the passer as Greg Williams is. So an elite pass rusher in his defense is just as valuable as one in any other D.

You also state you can get a good DT for $7 - $8 mil. Five years ago, that statement is probably true. Today a good DT on the open market is gonna cost you $10 mil. And if the guy is elite at rushing the passer, he’s going to get elite pass rushing money no matter the position.

I think everything you say is right on.

But I just want to sharpen some points. First, elite DTs are rare in the history of the league. Second, they are invaluable for this reason---as an offense, you have to dedicate resources to a guy who is that good AND starts out that close to the ball. He's elite if he both demands those kinds of resources AND makes plays anyway on top of it.

Outside rushers (4/3 or 3/4) are a lot easier to find than elite DTs, especially elite penetrating 3-tech DTs. Which means you;re not sacrificing one to have the other. Having an elite 3-tech means you can still find outside rushers. The presence of both has the potential to make a defense special.

Just to back up that last point, looking at the top pass rushers from 2016, those with 8 or more sacks (which is 30 guys), only 3 are DTs. The rest are all OLBs and 4/3 DEs.


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  Could not disagree more on Brockers

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  Re: How can that be with AD getting doubled and tripled?...NM

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  Re: No doubt...NM

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  Re: You'd get a ham sandwich for him...NM

laram183August 09, 2017 02:11PM

  Care to explain?

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  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers

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  He is that

Blue and Gold188August 09, 2017 05:28PM

  An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

RockRam237August 09, 2017 08:01AM

  2018 cap

PHDram326August 09, 2017 08:24AM

  Re: 2018 cap

LMU93306August 09, 2017 08:37AM

  what's more

zn246August 09, 2017 09:31AM

  Re: what's more

TonyHunter87235August 09, 2017 09:54AM

  here's how they are good with the cap and manage to always have space

zn268August 09, 2017 11:53AM

  I know this is a subjective impression...

Saguaro291August 09, 2017 11:01AM

  For me it's not just an issue of cap.

RockRam271August 09, 2017 10:16AM

  Re: For me it's not just an issue of cap.

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  Re: For me it's not just an issue of cap.

dzrams220August 09, 2017 11:42AM

  I will add to that

zn268August 09, 2017 12:11PM

  Re: Good points (nm)

dzrams237August 09, 2017 01:45PM

  So what team with the elite pass rushing DT has won the Superbowl?

RockRam253August 09, 2017 01:52PM

  Re:Warren Sapp is the only one...

laram385August 09, 2017 02:10PM

  Re:Warren Sapp is the only one.. Yup, I didn't hear a thing

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  Re: Crickets b/c that statement could be made about every position but one...

dzrams213August 09, 2017 03:50PM

  Re: In the history of the NFL..

laram224August 09, 2017 04:08PM

  Re: In the history of the NFL..

zn319August 09, 2017 06:30PM

  Re: So what team with the elite pass rushing DT has won the Superbowl?

zn213August 09, 2017 02:53PM

  Re: So what team with the elite pass rushing DT has won the Superbowl?

dzrams237August 09, 2017 02:56PM

  Re: An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

dzrams258August 09, 2017 08:53AM

  Re: An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

21Dog203August 09, 2017 03:14PM

  Re: An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

zn202August 09, 2017 05:15PM

  I understand

21Dog218August 09, 2017 05:18PM

  Re: I understand

zn207August 09, 2017 05:23PM

  Re: Potential cap casualties for LA Rams in 2018...

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