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For me it's not just an issue of cap.

August 09, 2017 10:16AM
I realize I look at things differently than some.
But for me, I have to not just look at the quality and production of a player, but the position he plays in order to establish value.

For instance, to make an extreme case only to make the point.

If you have a FG kicker who can make 95% of his kicks, year in and year out, and distance up to 60 yards with little fall out of success, and he wants $100mil for 6 years, do you pay it because he's a HOF kicker and perhaps the best that has ever lived (Fisher probably would....)?

My answer is no, because the contribution that kicker makes doesn't rise to the level of money you have to pay him for his services.

Depending on how a team is constructed, different positions have different impact. For instance: it has already been stated by a few players and a couple of talking heads that Wades defense depends heavily on the Dbacks for pass protection, less so on the Dline for pass rush and QB pressure. Fisher's D depended heavily on the Dline pass rush, and less so on the D backs. Thus, Dline carried a greater value in Fisher's D than in Wade's D. It's not all or nothing; it is a matter of degrees. So Wade's D needs more and better Dbacks, Fisher's D needs more and better Dline. You can't afford to have the best of both. Clearly the Rams let JJ go because they didn't think they could afford him and keep some other guys too. Why? Fisher didn't place that high of a value on the Dbacks. But Fisher was willing to spend enormous sums on the Dline. So you spend based on the emphasis of the system.

So.....to my way of thinking, AD carries a greater weight and impact in Fisher's D, and therefore monetary value, than in Wades.
But even if that isn't entirely so, I don't buy that DTs are worth near QB money. They of course impact a game. How much more a great DT impacts a game than a merely very good DT is hard to guage. But in my 50 years of watching NFL football, no DT impacts a game sufficiently to pay them the type of money that a Suh got, or that apparently AD is seeking. It is the wrong place to spend your money.

Suh's contract in my book was a mistake....which Detroit came to realize and they rectified it by trading him to Miami. Who at last check wasn't on the verge of becoming a great team because of acquiring Suh.

The Rams will not live or die according to AD. Especially if the same money to keep him can be spent to retain two very good DTs and possibly another up and comer. You can get an awfully good DT for $7 or $8 mil per year.

Bottom line: offer AD a salary that balances his superior play with the value of his position for the current Rams D....not last year's. If he won't take it, then one option is trade him for a player or draft picks that allow you to get the guys that your systems value the most. Don't try to make a square peg fit in a round hole of value.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2017 10:21AM by RockRam.
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  Potential cap casualties for LA Rams in 2018...

Rams431081August 09, 2017 06:14AM

  Hate to say it, however...

Rams43448August 09, 2017 06:17AM

  my order

LMU93331August 09, 2017 07:07AM

  Could not disagree more on Brockers

RamFanEsq483August 09, 2017 06:19AM

  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers

Steve520August 09, 2017 06:26AM

  Re: How can that be with AD getting doubled and tripled?...NM

laram242August 09, 2017 06:37AM

  Re: How can that be with AD getting doubled and tripled?

RamFanEsq311August 09, 2017 07:28AM

  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers

dzrams221August 09, 2017 08:50AM

  Re: No doubt...NM

laram220August 09, 2017 08:54AM

  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers

RamFanEsq231August 09, 2017 09:05AM

  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers

no name199August 09, 2017 02:01PM

  Re: You'd get a ham sandwich for him...NM

laram183August 09, 2017 02:11PM

  Care to explain?

Blue and Gold376August 09, 2017 05:26PM

  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers Attachments

Blue and Gold225August 09, 2017 09:58AM

  Re: Could not disagree more on Brockers

CraigMatson417August 09, 2017 10:09AM

  He is that

Blue and Gold188August 09, 2017 05:28PM

  An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

RockRam237August 09, 2017 08:01AM

  2018 cap

PHDram326August 09, 2017 08:24AM

  Re: 2018 cap

LMU93306August 09, 2017 08:37AM

  what's more

zn247August 09, 2017 09:31AM

  Re: what's more

TonyHunter87235August 09, 2017 09:54AM

  here's how they are good with the cap and manage to always have space

zn268August 09, 2017 11:53AM

  I know this is a subjective impression...

Saguaro291August 09, 2017 11:01AM

  For me it's not just an issue of cap.

RockRam271August 09, 2017 10:16AM

  Re: For me it's not just an issue of cap.

Rams43210August 09, 2017 10:27AM

  Re: For me it's not just an issue of cap.

dzrams220August 09, 2017 11:42AM

  I will add to that

zn268August 09, 2017 12:11PM

  Re: Good points (nm)

dzrams238August 09, 2017 01:45PM

  So what team with the elite pass rushing DT has won the Superbowl?

RockRam253August 09, 2017 01:52PM

  Re:Warren Sapp is the only one...

laram385August 09, 2017 02:10PM

  Re:Warren Sapp is the only one.. Yup, I didn't hear a thing

Anonymous User231August 09, 2017 03:14PM

  Re: Crickets b/c that statement could be made about every position but one...

dzrams213August 09, 2017 03:50PM

  Re: In the history of the NFL..

laram224August 09, 2017 04:08PM

  Re: In the history of the NFL..

zn319August 09, 2017 06:30PM

  Re: So what team with the elite pass rushing DT has won the Superbowl?

zn213August 09, 2017 02:53PM

  Re: So what team with the elite pass rushing DT has won the Superbowl?

dzrams237August 09, 2017 02:56PM

  Re: An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

dzrams258August 09, 2017 08:53AM

  Re: An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

21Dog203August 09, 2017 03:14PM

  Re: An enormous pay package for a DT isn't going to help this any

zn202August 09, 2017 05:15PM

  I understand

21Dog218August 09, 2017 05:18PM

  Re: I understand

zn207August 09, 2017 05:23PM

  Re: Potential cap casualties for LA Rams in 2018...

Blue and Gold509August 09, 2017 05:50PM