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July 28, 2017 07:09PM
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rambleon
Yes, the Rams have more leverage than Donald. I personally feel (based on my limited knowledge) that Donald is making a mistake by holding out.

That doesn't mean I disagree with his decision to do so. I also stand by my point about Donald having more leverage than Goff, Ogletree, etc.

In the leverage hierarchy it seems to me it goes: Rams > Donald > Everyone else

But maybe Donald and his agent think their position is better than we do.

In summary: I agree that Donald is overplaying his hand, but I disagree with anyone who has a moral objection to him doing his best to play the hand he's been dealt.

To me, this does not look like a situation where a player upset at his contract is trying to force a change on a reluctant team.

Based just on how both the Rams and informed reporters are talking about it, the Rams and Donald mutually agree on doing an extension and are just slow about working out the details.

To me, then, Donald not reporting is not an "unhappy player" forcing something on the team, it's a player who does not want to risk an injury before he signs a huge extension. Yes he reported to minicamp but he did nothing there but non-contact drills.

So to me, what looks like the key here is this: BOTH the Rams and Donald want the extension. There are no "player demands" or "team resistance"...it's all completely mutual. (BTW that means it has nothing to do with "leverage" either way. The team has publicly stated he deserves an extension and will get a big contract. No one has leverage in that kind of arrangement.)

But it's just turning out to be an arduous process.

The contract negotiations would continue whether he reported or not. So holding out does not force anything to happen. It doesn;t change the negotiations. Therefore the only logical explanation is the one we got weeks earlier during OTAs---that he does not dare risk an injury, being this close to a lifetime contract that an injury could undermine (they won't pay him if he can't play).

Reporters btw do not talk about this as a case where the player's demands are so huge they're unreasonable. That's not what is being said. Here's Vinny B on this (I already quoted this once somewhere else):

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Vincent Bonsignore‏ @DailyNewsVinny
1. My (educated take) #Rams and Aaron Donald will forge their path to a long-term contract that satisfies everyone’s objectives.

2. There are nuances involved in a situation where the player and the team want a long-term relationship that is cognizant…
3. …Of the reality of the NFL salary cap – which is unlike that of the NBA or MLB

4. The trick for both sides is a contract that rewards a talent like Donald but also leaves flexibility to fairly pay others…
5. As well as go out and add talent. There’s nuance involved in creating that kind of deal for a mega talent like Donald. Takes time

That sounds like one big issue is structure. How much frontloaded v. backloaded, how much guaranteed money, etc.

Either way the Rams represent themselves as being all in on this. That is not your normal holdout situation, where the player is trying to coerce something.

Again just my own 2 cents.


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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2017 07:18PM by zn.
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  Source: Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald misses training camp reporting deadline

RamBill1006July 28, 2017 09:32AM

  oh boy.....

Rampage2K-370July 28, 2017 09:35AM

  Strongly disagree here

rambleon495July 28, 2017 09:45AM

  Re: Strongly disagree here

Rampage2K-363July 28, 2017 09:50AM

  'Feed his family' is just an expression

rambleon351July 28, 2017 10:16AM

  Then use your words and not an innaccurate expression

Ramadune354July 28, 2017 10:30AM

  All of the things you say are true

rambleon242July 28, 2017 10:36AM

  So... why doesn't everyone hold out?

Ramadune244July 28, 2017 10:39AM

  Addressed this below

rambleon221July 28, 2017 10:42AM

  Re: All of the things you say are true

Rams43209July 28, 2017 10:45AM

  Asking for what you're worth is not greedy or selfish

rambleon240July 28, 2017 10:51AM

  Re: Asking for what you're worth is not greedy or selfish

Rampage2K-258July 28, 2017 10:59AM

  Dude, I totally agree with you. You're moving the goal posts ;)

rambleon198July 28, 2017 11:03AM

  Re: Dude, I totally agree with you. You're moving the goal posts ;)

Rampage2K-313July 28, 2017 11:08AM

  That's fair

rambleon241July 28, 2017 11:17AM

  my 2 cents

zn245July 28, 2017 07:09PM

  Look at it this way for a second, ramble...

Rams43236July 28, 2017 11:10AM

  Yeah, I think all of that makes sense.

rambleon210July 28, 2017 11:21AM

  Re: Yeah, I think all of that makes sense.

Rampage2K-227July 28, 2017 11:30AM

  I think we've probably squeezed out all the juice here

rambleon202July 28, 2017 11:41AM

  Re: I think we've probably squeezed out all the juice here

zn206July 28, 2017 12:27PM

  Re: Yeah, I think all of that makes sense.

Rams43228July 28, 2017 11:41AM

  This is tangential

rambleon187July 28, 2017 11:49AM

  Re: This is tangential

Rampage2K-252July 28, 2017 11:59AM

  Re: Very nice post...NM

laram207July 28, 2017 12:12PM

  Re: All of the things you say are true

bigjimram21189July 28, 2017 08:51PM

  Re: 'Feed his family' is just an expression

Rams43222July 28, 2017 10:36AM

  Re: 'Feed his family' is just an expression

bigjimram21195July 28, 2017 08:48PM

  Aaron Donald doesn’t show up for training camp/PFT

RamBill423July 28, 2017 09:37AM

  Re: Source: Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald misses training camp reporting deadline

RounderRick240July 28, 2017 09:39AM

  Re: Source: Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald misses training camp reporting deadline

Rampage2K-256July 28, 2017 09:43AM

  are Mack and Beckham holding out too???

Rampage2K-271July 28, 2017 09:40AM

  Re: Irrelevant counselor

dzrams193July 28, 2017 11:28AM

  Re: Irrelevant counselor.....not at all

Rampage2K-196July 28, 2017 11:32AM

  Re: Great! That's their strategy...

dzrams205July 28, 2017 12:44PM

  Rams should

RounderRick216July 28, 2017 06:53PM

  Then I have lost respect for Donald.

RockRam443July 28, 2017 10:01AM

  Re: C'mon Rock that's harsh man...

laram258July 28, 2017 10:05AM

  Re: Then I have lost respect for Donald....me too.

Rampage2K-280July 28, 2017 10:07AM

  Re: Then I have lost respect for Donald....me too.

Rams43373July 28, 2017 10:32AM

  I'll wait at least 2 weeks...

RamFanEsq257July 28, 2017 10:20AM

  Anybody change their opinion on this?

Ramadune209August 30, 2017 12:30PM