September 10, 2023 07:23AM
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JimYoungblood53
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Suh-weet!
Which kinda obliterates the guy's point.no?


There was no safety help on that side, you see the safety go to the right ... the defensive end dropped


So, what you show confirms ... it clearly said it Kupp ran a clear-out route ... and Stafford saw it was man-to-man
and hit Kupp.

The real difference the Rams went temp.

So no, it does not obliterate the guy's point it buttresses it. Stafford saw man-to-man coverage on that concept
Goff didn't.

The Chiefs didn't blow some coverage that had deep safety help ... it was blown coverage that had no deep safety help
it was pretty clear on film that he *could* have hit his favorite guy like Stafford did but for whatever reason Goff
took the scripted DIG

So, if you think it takes down the guy's point - tell me where you see deep help? It looks the same as cover-0

You asked the question, I gave it my explanation...If I am seeing it wrong, tell me what you see?

More than willing to listen and learn since this was an intelligent point, worthy of a good football discussion.
Just not seeing anything that contradicts anything other than the going fast.

In his very gentle way, Kurt says Ben is wrong here. In two ways. First, Ben's big point is the Stafford is very creative, and that play is offered as evidence of his creativity because it shows how in a key moment Stafford went outside the play progression. Problem is that it doesn't show that at all because Kupp is the primary for Stafford given the defensive look. Stafford made an excellent throw at a key moment but ... creative? No. tBen is simply mistaken there.

Second, Stafford and Goff actually faced slightly different defensive looks and pressures that affect how the respective plays unfold. When it comes to knowing what's what in terms of offensive/defensive alignments, I'll go with the HOF QB's take.

Anyhooo - that's it for me.

@kurt13warner
Love this Ben, here are a few thoughts to add:
1) on any good play - EVERYONE is an option vs the right D
2) The Chiefs ran to what we call a 2-Invert Coverage (not man) in which guy down middle always is an option Vs Middle Open D
3) Due to pressure JG was “HOT” here (unblocked defender coming) - so he either takes quick throw backside or it forces him to speed up here & not be able to see everything (as he almost gets hit before throw)
4) Stafford’s play was vs BLITZ 0 (No safety sitting in middle of field before snap) against which the POST area becomes primary thought for QBs while beating extra pressure guy



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2023 07:38AM by Suh-weet!.
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  Why Rams have a ring with Stafford ... Tweet

JimYoungblood53827September 07, 2023 09:12PM

  Priceless (nm)

AlbaNY_Ram89September 07, 2023 09:24PM

  yup nm

Speed_Kills77September 07, 2023 11:08PM

  awesome nm

joram84September 08, 2023 02:43AM

  So, Goff sucks and Stafford is great?

Ramsdude185September 08, 2023 03:08AM

  I think you might be overreacting a bit

Speed_Kills108September 08, 2023 06:36AM

  IDK Speed

Ramsdude82September 08, 2023 06:57AM

  That SB loss

waterfield97September 08, 2023 07:20AM

  no kupp either nm

Hazlet Hacksaw65September 08, 2023 07:22AM

  No Kupp when the Rams beat the Chiefs nm

Speed_Kills65September 08, 2023 07:24AM

  Yep but Pats D was way better than Chiefs

Hazlet Hacksaw64September 08, 2023 09:06AM

  Goff did miss a throw in the Superbowl

Ram_Ruler67September 08, 2023 08:41AM

  Ageed

Ramsdude69September 08, 2023 07:29AM

  Cooks didn't drop that pass though

Ram_Ruler141September 08, 2023 08:44AM

  Processing?

waterfield58September 09, 2023 07:23AM

  100% agree Attachments

JimYoungblood5348September 09, 2023 10:44AM

  Detroit took those draft choices

waterfield48September 09, 2023 02:17PM

  except when the Rams won the SB in 21

Speed_Kills70September 09, 2023 03:04PM

  Re: I think you might be overreacting a bit

JimYoungblood5395September 08, 2023 07:37AM

  Simply an outstanding video…

Rams4378September 08, 2023 06:58AM

  Re: So True

RamsFanSince6980September 08, 2023 07:41AM

  That’s a bit too simplistic to be honest…

Rampage2K-101September 08, 2023 07:59AM

  +1

Ramsdude64September 08, 2023 08:10AM

  Re: I mean… if you say so

Speed_Kills87September 08, 2023 08:32AM

  Re: I mean… if you say so

Rampage2K-72September 08, 2023 09:02AM

  It's a Tweet

JimYoungblood5395September 08, 2023 09:16AM

  Re: It's a Tweet

Rampage2K-138September 08, 2023 09:53AM

  All solid points you make

JimYoungblood5370September 08, 2023 10:36AM

  It is a knock on Goff

Ramsdude66September 08, 2023 10:53AM

  Pretty much

Suh-weet!62September 08, 2023 11:02AM

  It is the result of study

JimYoungblood5363September 08, 2023 11:47AM

  Youngblood I gotta say (edited)

Speed_Kills110September 09, 2023 07:49AM

  People forget it's just football

JimYoungblood5352September 09, 2023 10:08AM

  Yup, it was an agenda driven video

Ramsdude75September 08, 2023 11:53AM

  Re: I guess you could say there is an agenda

Speed_Kills106September 09, 2023 07:52AM

  Re: I guess you could say there is an agenda

Ramsdude63September 09, 2023 08:09AM

  Re: I guess you could say there is an agenda

Speed_Kills72September 09, 2023 08:25AM

  When I say "better"

Ramsdude68September 09, 2023 09:05AM

  Re: yeah we see it differently for sure

Speed_Kills47September 09, 2023 09:20AM

  Re: yeah we see it differently for sure

Ramsdude55September 09, 2023 09:28AM

  Kurt Warner

Speed_Kills53September 09, 2023 12:18PM

  Agreed Speed

Ramsdude49September 09, 2023 12:25PM

  I will admit

Speed_Kills46September 09, 2023 03:14PM

  Re: I will admit

Ramsdude90September 09, 2023 03:24PM

  Clear as day

JimYoungblood5378September 08, 2023 11:59AM

  nuff said nm

Speed_Kills39September 09, 2023 07:56AM

  It's like they hate that the Rams won the Super Bowl

JimYoungblood5346September 09, 2023 10:16AM

  This guy is saying one play defines Goff?

ABQRam103September 08, 2023 02:10PM

  That is exactly NOT what he is saying. Not even close, not by a mile

JimYoungblood5378September 08, 2023 03:33PM

  Re: That is exactly NOT what he is saying. Not even close, not by a mile

ABQRam64September 08, 2023 03:45PM

  One play? Or was it one example that represents many plays?

JimYoungblood5357September 08, 2023 04:08PM

  Re: One play? Or was it one example that represents many plays?

ABQRam102September 08, 2023 04:53PM

  The discussion was the difference in "next-level"

JimYoungblood5363September 08, 2023 05:03PM

  Nice post ABQ!

Ramsdude63September 09, 2023 04:30AM

  Re: Nice post ABQ!

ABQRam61September 09, 2023 06:08AM

  Re: Nice post ABQ!

JimYoungblood5351September 09, 2023 10:13AM

  Nice guy, smart guy - and he's COMPLETELY wrong

Suh-weet!78September 09, 2023 05:19AM

  Get ready brother!

Ramsdude69September 09, 2023 06:01AM

  Re: Get ready brother!

ABQRam60September 09, 2023 06:13AM

  Good read from our old friend zn re; Goff/Detroit...

Ramsdude78September 09, 2023 06:34AM

  Re: Good read from our old friend zn re; Goff/Detroit...

Suh-weet!54September 09, 2023 08:23AM

  Re: Get ready brother!

waterfield69September 09, 2023 07:35AM

  Chiefs had no deep saftey help, same route concept

JimYoungblood5359September 09, 2023 10:34AM

  Kurt Warner disagrees with you - and Ben

Suh-weet!45September 10, 2023 07:23AM

  Re: Why Rams have a ring with Stafford ... Tweet

Ridgewood Ram46September 09, 2023 07:44PM