Good read from our old friend zn re; Goff/Detroit...
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ramman2999 wrote:
The issue with MCvay is he is really intense over intense and wants to do it. He expects to have someone run it to his perdition. Perfection.
Stafford doesn’t need to be Pat on the back.
Ben Johnson Dan Campbell are more suited for Goff Pat him tell him he’s doing w good. Keep pushing. Everyone’s against us.
And it’s less pressure playing in Detroit then Los Angeles. Facts.
He was great with Mcvay but after that super bowl. Something happened between those two. And I don’t know if Mcvay low key blamed it on Goff. But the trust just wasn’t there. For some reason.
zn wrote:
I frame all that differently. To me McV was way too impatient with Goff. A former Rams coach (probably one of the coordinators who left) said that McV knew how to tear Goff down and not how to build him back up. He ripped JG publicly all the time (ie. in front of the team). Communication was not good. That all started in 2019 when McV became the de facto qb coach.
Campbell and his OC approached it all differently. They communicated with JG and built the passing game around his strengths and listened to his input. This goes waaaaaaaaaay beyond patting him on the back.
But I was never against the trade. I openly defended the trade. If a coach and a qb aren't in a good "marriage" one has to go. In exchange they got an experienced, veteran qb who McV was just plain going to listen to. Both MS and JG ended up in better situations.
It's really telling that the Lions GM was Holmes and he knew Goff's real value.
Here's a bit from an article about a former Rams offensive coach who spoke to the Lions' OC, Johnson, when the trade happened. Zac Taylor, the former Rams coach who is now the Bengals head coach, knew the Lions now offensive coordinator, Johnson, and Taylor told his friend that he didn’t buy the negative stuff on Goff that surrounded the qb in 2019/20. Remember, Taylor was Goff’s qb coach in 2018. His last top year as a Rams qb. I strongly suspect Taylor was the “league source” who told Thiry that McV tore JG’s confidence down without knowing how to build it back up.
ramman2999 wrote:
Taylor [addressed] the negativity surrounding Goff, telling Johnson he didn’t buy into it.
zn wrote:
Things improved for Goff in Detroit when Johnson took over as the OC, and it worked because the 2 were collaborative–something not true of how McV handled Goff in 2019/20.
ramman2999 wrote:
By then, Johnson and Campbell had established an offensive foundation of formations and terminology. The rest of the offense would be Johnson’s baby, and he handed it to Goff to cradle.
In about 24 hours over the three days, Johnson and Goff sat in a meeting room surrounded by whiteboards. They watched Rams video of Goff from 2019 and 2020, talked, took notes and drew plays with dry-erase markers. On the first day, they focused on Goff’s favorite pass and run concepts. The second day was devoted to Rams plays Johnson didn’t completely understand. And on the final day, they brainstormed new directions to take the Lions offense and ways to build on what Goff had already mastered….
Goff says one of Johnson’s best qualities is how he listens. “I know anything I say to him will be taken pretty seriously,” Goff says. “He really values my opinion and cares about what I’m saying. That’s huge for a quarterback.”
Johnson’s trust in Goff is evident not just in what he says in interviews but what he says on the sidelines. Goff has significant autonomy at the line of scrimmage, more than most quarterbacks and more than he ever had previously. In the Lions’ “Auto” package, Goff reads the defense and chooses from as many as five plays.
zn wrote:
This was all designed to build and then take advantage of JG’s confidence.
#HelmetHornsMatter
“Well, the color is good, I like the metallic blue,” Youngblood recently said while laughing, via NFL Journal. “The horn is terrible. It looks like a ‘C.’ When I first saw it on the logo I honestly thought it was a Charger logo.
“Now when I see it on the helmet, it just isn’t a ram horn. There is no distinct curl like a mature ram horn. I don’t know how the Rams could get that wrong. That is your symbol and it has been for what? Seventy years or more? Longer than I have been alive? It’s just not us, it’s not the Rams.”---Mr. Ram Jack Youngblood
The issue with MCvay is he is really intense over intense and wants to do it. He expects to have someone run it to his perdition. Perfection.
Stafford doesn’t need to be Pat on the back.
Ben Johnson Dan Campbell are more suited for Goff Pat him tell him he’s doing w good. Keep pushing. Everyone’s against us.
And it’s less pressure playing in Detroit then Los Angeles. Facts.
He was great with Mcvay but after that super bowl. Something happened between those two. And I don’t know if Mcvay low key blamed it on Goff. But the trust just wasn’t there. For some reason.
zn wrote:
I frame all that differently. To me McV was way too impatient with Goff. A former Rams coach (probably one of the coordinators who left) said that McV knew how to tear Goff down and not how to build him back up. He ripped JG publicly all the time (ie. in front of the team). Communication was not good. That all started in 2019 when McV became the de facto qb coach.
Campbell and his OC approached it all differently. They communicated with JG and built the passing game around his strengths and listened to his input. This goes waaaaaaaaaay beyond patting him on the back.
But I was never against the trade. I openly defended the trade. If a coach and a qb aren't in a good "marriage" one has to go. In exchange they got an experienced, veteran qb who McV was just plain going to listen to. Both MS and JG ended up in better situations.
It's really telling that the Lions GM was Holmes and he knew Goff's real value.
Here's a bit from an article about a former Rams offensive coach who spoke to the Lions' OC, Johnson, when the trade happened. Zac Taylor, the former Rams coach who is now the Bengals head coach, knew the Lions now offensive coordinator, Johnson, and Taylor told his friend that he didn’t buy the negative stuff on Goff that surrounded the qb in 2019/20. Remember, Taylor was Goff’s qb coach in 2018. His last top year as a Rams qb. I strongly suspect Taylor was the “league source” who told Thiry that McV tore JG’s confidence down without knowing how to build it back up.
ramman2999 wrote:
Taylor [addressed] the negativity surrounding Goff, telling Johnson he didn’t buy into it.
zn wrote:
Things improved for Goff in Detroit when Johnson took over as the OC, and it worked because the 2 were collaborative–something not true of how McV handled Goff in 2019/20.
ramman2999 wrote:
By then, Johnson and Campbell had established an offensive foundation of formations and terminology. The rest of the offense would be Johnson’s baby, and he handed it to Goff to cradle.
In about 24 hours over the three days, Johnson and Goff sat in a meeting room surrounded by whiteboards. They watched Rams video of Goff from 2019 and 2020, talked, took notes and drew plays with dry-erase markers. On the first day, they focused on Goff’s favorite pass and run concepts. The second day was devoted to Rams plays Johnson didn’t completely understand. And on the final day, they brainstormed new directions to take the Lions offense and ways to build on what Goff had already mastered….
Goff says one of Johnson’s best qualities is how he listens. “I know anything I say to him will be taken pretty seriously,” Goff says. “He really values my opinion and cares about what I’m saying. That’s huge for a quarterback.”
Johnson’s trust in Goff is evident not just in what he says in interviews but what he says on the sidelines. Goff has significant autonomy at the line of scrimmage, more than most quarterbacks and more than he ever had previously. In the Lions’ “Auto” package, Goff reads the defense and chooses from as many as five plays.
zn wrote:
This was all designed to build and then take advantage of JG’s confidence.
#HelmetHornsMatter
“Well, the color is good, I like the metallic blue,” Youngblood recently said while laughing, via NFL Journal. “The horn is terrible. It looks like a ‘C.’ When I first saw it on the logo I honestly thought it was a Charger logo.
“Now when I see it on the helmet, it just isn’t a ram horn. There is no distinct curl like a mature ram horn. I don’t know how the Rams could get that wrong. That is your symbol and it has been for what? Seventy years or more? Longer than I have been alive? It’s just not us, it’s not the Rams.”---Mr. Ram Jack Youngblood
