I should have been clearer when talking about that 55 QB rating. That was the rating you cited in the 4 games in 2018. Coincidentally that was also the range of the his QB rating when under pressure over his last two seasons which is what I was referring to. Hence why I said "And we're asking him to have better than a 55 QB rating when he's under pressure." When I referred to thby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams . That's the ratings of career backups. No. Career back-ups do not come through consistenly against anyone. Let alone either behind subpar OLs or against top ranked Ds. Conversely, most starters with rare exceptions fall apart when they have to play behind subpar and or broken OLs. I'm just telling you what the numbers show my friend. No where did I say that career bacby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteDeadpool I'm not asking him to be a world beater against teams like Baltimore and SF or NE, but I am asking that he be better then the awful mess he has been. We're asking him to not melt down to the point where he has QB ratings in the 55 range like he did against strong Ds in the 2nd half of 2018. And we're asking him to have better than a 55 QB rating when he's under pressure. That'by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams_81 teams play better on offense when other teams defenses are not as good. How is that a negative? I think you could say that about every team. The problem many fans have is they forget the days between Martz and McVay that the team played poorly against ALL defenses. When was the last time the Rams offense played well against a strong defense? By generalizing that offeby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I didn't really follow what you're saying is not correct. All I said was that Brady hasn't been kept perfectly clean and that in general we do know how he performs under pressure. No one was narrowing that to injury depleted OLs. As I have stressed, my focus is beyond injury broken up OLs. And for what it's worth, I don't believe Goff is playing any longer under an injury broken up OL. His neby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
This would have been an appropriate post after the Rams defeated a team like SF or the Ravens. My concerns with Goff against good defenses with strong fronts has not been affected by this game. On another note, why did you assume it would be a shootout? Despite the two anomaly games this year, the Rams D is very good.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteClassicalwit I really don't people hate Goff; he's our QB. I think they get frustrated when he doesn't play well and they don't perceive or, maybe, don't understand that there may be other reasons that can explain why. They have a simpler view of the situation. I am glad that Goff and the Rams have struggled this year. Adversity is good. Like Aeschylus wrote: "we must suffer, sufferby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams_81 because he has been protected for like 250 out of 251 games. The only time was against the Giants in the superbowl and that didn't end well. Well, metrics show that he hasn't always been kept perfectly clean. Besides, all QBs face pressure. We do know over a decade plus that he has done very well under pressure.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestlrams13 Can't have it both ways He played great today Just like he always does when protected We're all Rams fans here. We should be able to have discussions and disagreements with civility. I really don't think anyone hates Goff. Do you know anyone who doesn't acknowledge that he sometimes plays great? It's also not controversial to suggest that he does well when protected. Iby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamUK He's the highest paid running back in the league with mediocre performance. It would be utterly insane. The only way anybody does that is if it's a reverse trade and we give up draft picks to offload him. Same goes for the other 2 on a lower level. In a trade, the Rams would have to absorb the pro-rated portions of his contract onto their books. The new team would be gettingby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
The point of trading Hav would be to free up salary cap space. I can see them accepting anything back, reasonable or not. That said, a solid RT for around $6M per year would be a bargain for some team so they might get something decent back. I don't think Gurley will be around beyond 2020 anyway so does trading him one year before that really have long term implications?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteHazlet Hacksaw What does it cost to get rid of gurley and higbee if they had to? Hav should go this year, what would that cost? Others have posted the numbers on what cuts would look like on the cap. But there is a better path forward if the Rams wanted to shed salary. Trades. This is how Snead has done it the last few off seasons... Higs, Hav, Gurley could all be traded this year aby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams Proof or correlation, call it what you will. The second part of your prong can be proven b/c he played behind an OL that was ranked 13th by one metric. My premise is this: 1st half of 2018 it was ranked top 5 or Good (in a nod to rampage666 of more general categories). In the 2nd half it was ranked 13th or Average. In the 1st half Goff was top 10. In the 2nd half Gby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Proof or correlation, call it what you will. The second part of your prong can be proven b/c he played behind an OL that was ranked 13th by one metric. My premise is this: 1st half of 2018 it was ranked top 5 or Good (in a nod to rampage666 of more general categories). In the 2nd half it was ranked 13th or Average. In the 1st half Goff was top 10. In the 2nd half Goff was top 20-25. Iby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams Here's why it's not hyperbole. In 2017, Goff did very well with numbers as a top 8-12 QB and he had a top 5 OL. You only asserted that he HAD a top 5 OL (by some measures), not that he NEEDS one. It's the difference between this year's initially way out of sync then injured, low ranked OL and 2017's top 5 OL? That leaves a lot in between. You assume, to me wrby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteDrew2839 The Wilson comment was more of an exaggeration to help explain my generalization: most QBs need decent protection. To be sure, there are QBs who deal better with pressure than others. I won't debate that. I understood your point. Using your comment as an example wasn't a negative on you, it was just to show that those two names come up often and it's a pretty common belief thaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoterampage666 To me the main question is "What exposed the oline?" Situations the oline were put in, decline in performance, etc. The answer to that question, I think, is the key to fixing the issue. That sounds like a fair question and good place to start. It can't be situations the OL was put in though because hasn't that been the same since McVay took over as coach? Mayby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams But if I were to engage, let's assume it's true that only two QBs can do well with injury depleted OLs. Assume that's admitted. The fact that Goff is horrible under pressure, even apart from injury depleted OLs, and thus needs a top 5 OL to keep him clean is still true. I don't agree that he needs a "top 5 OL." I think that's hyperbole. But NOBODY needs a subparby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoterampage666 QB Rating is going to be fairly unstable year to year--lot of variance in the tds, and ints. And rating under pressure even more so because of the smallish sample size. Which is one thing is Russ' favor because his pressure sample size is so much larger than everyone else's. I would caution that looking at just under pressure numbers is just part of the story. Goff has beenby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Of course it matters what my actual position is if you're going to disagree with it. B) I assume I am dealing with an honest misunderstanding about what my position is. There's no conflict here, just trying to sort out what's being argued. You said someone claimed only Brady and Wilson are good under pressure. Well no one else is bringing up those 2, and when I bring them up, it's notby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
This is MY thread and I'm addressing the issue of how well Goff does under pressure relative to other QBs. In addressing this, I am looking beyond the narrow focus of injury depleted OLs since that is something Goff has only faced for the last handful of games. This may be the 4th or 5th time I've mentioned this to you but again... I don't care about injuries right now since I'm not only lookby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
There is an oft repeated, but erroneous assertion that only Wilson and Brady perform well under pressure. I once believed this too but since it was never backed up with hard data I decided to research it. I found that it's a myth! Here are stats comparing QB Rating with no pressure versus with pressure. First number is QB Rating with No Pressure, the second number is QB Rating Under Prby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLos Angeles Lenny He is not mobile, he makes erratic passes, locks on to his receiver, can not process quickly, but when he has time, a line, and a running game he is one of the best in the league. I agree that in the right circumstances he is very good. I've said that several times. I'm pointing out his limitations - in this case that he is very bad under pressure - to make a specific poiby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotealyoshamucci High percentage of play action (often double play action) leaves him with his eyes off the field ... so it gives him less time to adjust to unexpected coverage. This is a point I've never considered. I don't know any place where we could obtain the metric of how much of the pressure is coming on play actions plays versus none play action. This would also fall on McVay. Heby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams QuoteSeattleRam Do you have a link where you can find stats like these? I'd love look up other QB's like Russell Wilson who's played behind below average O-lines his whole career. Pff.com However, you have to subscribe to their advanced metrics for this stuff. Russel Wilson QB Rating under pressure per year: 2019 - 105.3 2018 - 86.2 2017 - 69.0 2016 - 85.8 2015by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
You near perfectly captured all of my sentiments on all of the figures involved. I think the ship can be righted though.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotedzrams You and I are talking about two distinct things. You always assume people who express concern about Goff are ONLY basing that on his performance this year. Very bad assumption. I haven't even engaged in the frame of things dating back to 2007 because it's irrelevant for me since my concerns with Goff predate any injury issues. I've told you specificby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSeattleRam Do you have a link where you can find stats like these? I'd love look up other QB's like Russell Wilson who's played behind below average O-lines his whole career. Pff.com However, you have to subscribe to their advanced metrics for this stuff. Russel Wilson QB Rating under pressure per year: 2019 - 105.3 2018 - 86.2 2017 - 69.0 2016 - 85.8 2015 - 89.8 2014 - 70.2by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams You and I are talking about two distinct things. You always assume people who express concern about Goff are ONLY basing that on his performance this year. Very bad assumption. I haven't even engaged in the frame of things dating back to 2007 because it's irrelevant for me since my concerns with Goff predate any injury issues. I've told you specifically several times,by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
You and I are talking about two distinct things. You always assume people who express concern about Goff are ONLY basing that on his performance this year. Very bad assumption. I haven't even engaged in the frame of things dating back to 2007 because it's irrelevant for me since my concerns with Goff predate any injury issues. I've told you specifically several times, with emphasis each tby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com