April 17, 2021 10:29AM
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Frankly, I enjoyed reading it and am glad it was posted.

I’m invested in the Rams and their betterment, not in any individual player. So, ‘if the shoe fits’ regarding Goff, so be it. I’ve long since moved on.

It's a good article but, as usual, the headline is kind of clickbait. Of course, that seems to be by design as you point out.

To be accurate the headline should say "Sean McVay hints ex-QB Jared Goff can’t read defenses as well as Stafford can" That would be 100% true and I don't know that anyone would have a problem with it.

Who's going to disagree that Stafford can recognize and understand coverage and make all five eligibles come alive at a higher level than Goff? Or that he's superior to Goff in getting through progressions, recognizing reads, and solving problems protection-wise? I doubt we have any real serious disagreement with that.

No one has ever disagreed with that that I know of.

But then look at the reactions of your buddies. Me or R2K saying basically the same thing you just did here and it provokes this fury of ruffled feather misreads and over-reactions.

In all fairness, you should honestly think about why you contribute to that impulse.

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First, all of you are Rams fans and thus my buddies! cool smiley We often have very different viewpoints on things but I do remember when we were on the same side in the AD contract board wars. Frankly, I enjoy the discussion on Rams-related things even when there are sometimes contentious disagreements.

As for why different reactions when we're saying the same thing, my theory is it has to do with how we frame things. IMO, take it or leave it, it seems that you and R2K have a need to remind us WHY Goff is not as good - i.e. 13 years experience vs. 5 years. But most fans don't care about the why; most only care that he's not as good. IMO, the why is irrelevant. The constant reminder of the why comes across as defensive. It feels like that's the framework everything you say on the subject is coming from. That may not be the motive but IMO that's how it appears and that's the reason for the different reactions.

And I'll make you a deal since we're talking about all fairness. I'll agree to think about why I contribute to that impulse if you agree to think about why you feel the need to frame every discussion regarding Stafford's superiority with what's IMO an irrelevant caveat, explanation, or excuse (13 years experience vs. 5 years) for why Goff isn't on the same level. Deal?
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  that's not even subtle

joram889April 16, 2021 04:04PM

  Re: that's not even subtle

zn736April 16, 2021 04:40PM

  Re: that's not even subtle

Rampage2K-271April 16, 2021 08:29PM

  So the Rams should have waited 7 more years for Goff?

RockRam295April 17, 2021 02:32AM

  Re: So the Rams should have waited 7 more years for Goff?

joram302April 17, 2021 02:52AM

  Will be interesting to see what happens

max199April 17, 2021 04:17AM

  Honestly, this time next year Goff will be an afterthought

RockRam203April 17, 2021 04:36AM

  For many but not everyone.

waterfield211April 17, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: It will all come out in the end...

dzrams151April 17, 2021 08:20AM

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PHDram135April 17, 2021 08:53AM

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waterfield133April 17, 2021 09:21AM

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PHDram137April 17, 2021 10:00AM

  If he hits the next level that will be a death blow for the Rams

Ram_Ruler149April 17, 2021 08:29AM

  I didn't (and don't) argue with the trade

zn157April 17, 2021 08:27AM

  An article destined to ruffle some feathers...

Rams43192April 17, 2021 07:16AM

  Re: An article destined to ruffle some feathers...

zn249April 17, 2021 08:34AM

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Rams43311April 17, 2021 08:44AM

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zn147April 17, 2021 08:49AM

  Pile on?

PHDram165April 17, 2021 08:55AM

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Rams43189April 17, 2021 09:09AM

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zn306April 17, 2021 09:34AM

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Rams43141April 17, 2021 12:26PM

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zn144April 17, 2021 12:35PM

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Rams43235April 17, 2021 12:42PM

  Re: The headline is clickbaitish...

dzrams271April 17, 2021 09:04AM

  Re: The headline is clickbaitish...

Rams43227April 17, 2021 09:11AM

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zn185April 17, 2021 09:23AM

  exactly

zn586April 17, 2021 09:22AM

  Re: There is a reason...

dzrams164April 17, 2021 10:29AM

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zn130April 17, 2021 10:44AM

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dzrams132April 17, 2021 10:50AM

  re-read the post

zn156April 17, 2021 10:51AM

  Re: re-read the post

dzrams430April 17, 2021 11:02AM

  Re: re-read the post

zn552April 17, 2021 11:08AM

  Re: What did I not respond to?

dzrams145April 17, 2021 11:09AM

  Re: What did I not respond to?

zn425April 17, 2021 11:11AM

  Re: exactly

Rams43270April 17, 2021 12:29PM

  Re: exactly

zn159April 17, 2021 12:31PM

  Re: exactly

Rams43135April 17, 2021 12:34PM

  Re: exactly

zn152April 17, 2021 12:46PM

  Re: The headline is clickbaitish...

waterfield142April 17, 2021 09:26AM

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PHDram228April 17, 2021 09:57AM

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dzrams233April 17, 2021 10:02AM

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zn149April 17, 2021 10:36AM

  not a big fan of goff but...,

joram162April 17, 2021 12:22PM

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zn149April 17, 2021 12:28PM

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