January 21, 2021 11:12AM
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No way the Rams OL is #3. Maybe the way PFF grades it is the problem. Just like the way they grade Ramsey as no where near the top CB.

The Rams are clearly weak in the interior in pass pro. Blythe gets overpowered constantly against anyone good.

Football Outsiders had the Rams OL ranked around #8 in DVOA.

Also, how PFF grades could be a problem but there are some things such as pressures allowed and sacks given up that are hard to get wrong. The Rams had a top 10 OL in total pressures allowed.

It's really hard to make an argument that it was a bad OL and in fact I haven't seen anyone do that. The biggest and most accurate charge is that they were inconsistent.

Not just inconsistent, in several key games they a huge problem. Green Bay game being one of them. Calling them "inconsistent" whitewashes the extent to which they were a problem against defenses equipped to challenge them.

The issue was teams that could physically dominate the interior OL (Whitworth missing games didn't help).

In terms of the PFF ranking, it makes no sense. I borrowed this from a post from elsewhere put up by a PFF subscriber. Notice--Blythe is 26th in pass blocking among 32 centers. Hav is 45th pass blocking among 64 OTs (I assume they don't do left and right) yet they rank him as the 15th OT. There is no Rams OL except Whitworth that is any higher than 31st at pass blocking.

And that according to them adds up to a top 3 OL?


I don't know exactly their formula on how they get 3rd but if you factor everything in, I think I see the path. Short answer is, if you have a top 15 O'linemen at every position, the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. That may be why they end up 3rd.

That 3rd ranking is taking everything into account. Overall sacks, QB hits, and pressures allowed; penalties; and run blocking. We were pretty good in every category.

They rated us as a very good running blocking team as evidenced by 4 of the starters being in or near the top 10.

3 of the 5 starters were graded as top 10 overall for their positions. The other 2 starters are rated 15th and 17th out of 64 which is performing in the top 25%.

So no position had a player rated overall bottom tier. All starters, minus Blythe, were graded overall as being in the top 15%-25%. Most OL's have at least a couple of weak positions.

In the cumulative pass rush numbers, we have:

Sacks given up - 11th
QB hits - 24th
Hurries - 5th
Overall pressures allowed - 9th

In penalties, I don't have this number but the Rams were the 2nd least penalized team which means the OL wasn't getting penalized much.

IMO, Football Outsiders is likely a better picture. Here's what they had:

OL's Adj. Line Yards - 7th (behind Min, TN, NE, NO, GB, CLE)
Sacks: 7th fewest allowed
Adj. Sack Rate: 2nd best

At any rate, I'm using PFF's and FO's ratings not to argue that the OL was so special but to quash the assertion that the OL was poor this year. Basically, every metric says it was pretty good.

Last year we accepted it when PFF and FO said it was near the worst in the league. This year everyone wants to argue when those same sources, with the same criteria, say it was among the best in the league. The only reason people are doing that is because the offense and the QB still looked horrible. It seems people are coming around to what I stated last year: in order for Goff and the offense to do very well, the OL has to be elite.
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  POLL: What can we get for Goff?

max1327January 20, 2021 05:33AM

  Would the Colts take Goff?

BigGame81497January 20, 2021 05:41AM

  Re: Would the Colts take Goff?

max300January 20, 2021 05:49AM

  Stafford will be a Colt

den-the-coach245January 20, 2021 05:54AM

  Why would Detroit get rid of Stafford?

BigGame81640January 20, 2021 06:12AM

  I think he wants out

Speed_Kills359January 20, 2021 06:32AM

  Re: I'm thinking Dak Prescott!

oldschoolramfan343January 20, 2021 06:16AM

  Re: I'm thinking Dak Prescott!

AlbaNY_Ram220January 20, 2021 06:25AM

  just no way Dallas does that

Speed_Kills299January 20, 2021 06:34AM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

oldschoolramfan275January 20, 2021 07:39AM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

Rams43223January 20, 2021 07:42AM

  Re: Bingo! (nm)

AlbaNY_Ram382January 20, 2021 11:11AM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

max286January 20, 2021 11:24AM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

moklerman284January 20, 2021 11:52AM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

max195January 20, 2021 12:00PM

  if they could find one in the 2nd round....

ferragamo79260January 20, 2021 04:19PM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

Ekern55185January 21, 2021 03:37PM

  Re: Dallas has not taken care of Dak!

moklerman187January 21, 2021 04:09PM

  Re: Would the Colts take Goff?

Ram Fan Teacher277January 20, 2021 06:01AM

  Re: Would the Colts take Goff?

pmill66219January 21, 2021 10:24AM

  yeah and if they can somehow work it out

Speed_Kills218January 20, 2021 06:31AM

  I'd get him a WR that take the top off a D and...

DaJudge259January 20, 2021 06:29AM

  If there was a market for Bradford there should be for Goff

Speed_Kills234January 20, 2021 06:57AM

  Re: If there was a market for Bradford there should be for Goff

max272January 20, 2021 08:23AM

  Less than 40% want to keep him

max416January 20, 2021 10:40AM

  I suspect that the Rams would have to offer Goff plus picks

RockRam563January 20, 2021 11:01AM

  Re: I suspect that the Rams would have to offer Goff plus picks

max357January 20, 2021 11:10AM

  Remember what Goff cost us?

max636January 20, 2021 03:58PM

  wow

Speed_Kills365January 20, 2021 04:38PM

  Re: wow

max329January 20, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: wow

Rampage2K-232January 20, 2021 06:20PM

  Re: wow

oldschoolramfan227January 21, 2021 05:30AM

  Re: wow

Speed_Kills202January 21, 2021 05:51AM

  Re: wow

max301January 21, 2021 07:09AM

  Really they need to do that regardless of Goff....

roman18197January 21, 2021 07:17AM

  yup nm

Speed_Kills321January 21, 2021 07:56AM

  Re: Really they need to do that regardless of Goff....

Ekern55199January 21, 2021 03:55PM

  IMO after the last two years

Speed_Kills573January 22, 2021 11:44AM

  Re: wow

Rams43223January 21, 2021 07:31AM

  I think an upgrade at OC needs to happen regardless

Speed_Kills204January 21, 2021 07:53AM

  Re: I think an upgrade at OC needs to happen regardless

Rams43176January 21, 2021 08:00AM

  Re: I think an upgrade at OC needs to happen regardless

3030144January 21, 2021 10:33AM

  I posted an article on 2021 FAs last week

Speed_Kills341January 21, 2021 10:38AM

  I guess I don't see that as affordable with our cap (nm)

3030192January 21, 2021 10:50AM

  ah gotcha

Speed_Kills176January 21, 2021 12:38PM

  Re: wow

moklerman438January 21, 2021 09:44AM

  Re: wow

Ekern55239January 21, 2021 03:49PM

  Re: wow

Rams43258January 21, 2021 06:55AM

  Re: wow

Rampage2K-249January 21, 2021 07:17AM

  Re: wow

Rams43176January 21, 2021 07:55AM

  Re: wow

Rampage2K-199January 21, 2021 08:42AM

  Re: wow

oldschoolramfan185January 21, 2021 09:36AM

  Re: wow

Rams43220January 21, 2021 09:57AM

  Re: wow

Rampage2K-189January 21, 2021 10:03AM

  PFF ranking is bogus

max202January 21, 2021 08:25AM

  Re: PFF ranking is bogus

dzrams452January 21, 2021 08:30AM

  Re: PFF ranking is bogus

zn170January 21, 2021 10:31AM

  Re: PFF ranking is bogus

dzrams169January 21, 2021 11:12AM

  Re: PFF ranking is bogus

zn209January 21, 2021 01:15PM

  Re: PFF ranking is bogus

dzrams354January 21, 2021 01:31PM

  No actually Goff beat that a couple of times

zn203January 21, 2021 04:05PM

  Re: No actually Goff beat that a couple of times

dzrams226January 22, 2021 07:00AM

  the stats sites are wrong about the OL cause maybe stats sites can't assess OLs

zn505January 22, 2021 05:50PM

  to clarify

zn217January 23, 2021 06:58PM

  Re: to clarify

dzrams266January 23, 2021 07:18PM

  Re: to clarify

zn170January 23, 2021 07:23PM

  That and the line clearly played worse when Awhit went down

Speed_Kills148January 21, 2021 10:36AM

  But when they were ranked 31st last year that was accurate?

Speed_Kills172January 21, 2021 10:31AM

  Re: wow

dzrams212January 21, 2021 07:27AM

  A burner WR and a stud OC would do wonders

stlramz180January 22, 2021 11:41AM

  Re: Remember what Goff cost us?

pmill66266January 21, 2021 12:15PM

  Remember what Everett cost us?

Rams Junkie190January 21, 2021 08:51PM

  you get 10.5 wins per season with Goff and McVay....

JoeMad234January 21, 2021 08:11AM

  Re: I have no idea why.

oldschoolramfan189January 21, 2021 09:43AM

  Re: I have no idea why.

Rams43244January 21, 2021 10:02AM

  Re: I have no idea why.

Rampage2K-307January 21, 2021 10:06AM

  Re: That's exactly my point...

oldschoolramfan176January 21, 2021 10:14AM

  Re: I have no idea why.

Rams43192January 21, 2021 10:20AM

  Re: I have no idea why.

Rampage2K-184January 21, 2021 10:41AM

  Re: I have no idea why.

Rams43201January 21, 2021 10:57AM

  And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Speed_Kills156January 21, 2021 10:44AM

  Re: And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Rampage2K-153January 21, 2021 10:49AM

  Re: And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Rams43262January 21, 2021 11:01AM

  Re: And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Rampage2K-216January 21, 2021 11:06AM

  Re: And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Rams43200January 21, 2021 11:11AM

  Re: And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Rampage2K-471January 21, 2021 11:13AM

  Re: And even if you do look at the Green Bay game

Rams43158January 21, 2021 11:18AM

  Yeah this is especially true these days nm

Speed_Kills223January 21, 2021 11:08AM

  let me know how many QBs could win playoff game in GB and NO

JoeMad323January 21, 2021 12:08PM

  Re: let me know how many QBs could win playoff game in GB and NO

Speed_Kills653January 21, 2021 01:09PM

  Re: let me know how many QBs could win playoff game in GB and NO

Rampage2K-211January 21, 2021 01:27PM

  Re: let me know how many QBs could win playoff game in GB and NO

JoeMad444January 21, 2021 01:32PM

  Joe

Speed_Kills202January 21, 2021 01:38PM

  perhaps McVay is unhappy because

JoeMad226January 21, 2021 01:49PM

  Re: Reports of his unhappiness were BEFORE they were eliminated...nm

dzrams207January 21, 2021 02:09PM

  agreed

zn169January 21, 2021 03:55PM

  I'll do it

Drew2839208January 21, 2021 01:40PM

  lol I’m open for ideas

Speed_Kills288January 21, 2021 03:05PM

  And that says something, doesn't it?

Drew2839164January 21, 2021 03:29PM

  Goff's Trade value? Maybe a late #1 or a 2nd and 3rd rounder

Anonymous User223January 21, 2021 04:44PM

  IF McVay thinks Goff is limiting him I'd say a round 2 pick at best

merlin190January 23, 2021 10:47AM

  good post both of you

Speed_Kills164January 23, 2021 11:16AM

  Re: Here's another consideration to get more compensation...

dzrams186January 23, 2021 12:08PM

  Would you be terribly offended...

JamesJM317January 23, 2021 12:16PM

  Re: Not at all...

dzrams165January 23, 2021 12:25PM

  how’s it going so far? lol

Speed_Kills241January 23, 2021 01:29PM

  Re: good post both of you

moklerman417January 23, 2021 02:39PM