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I don't know exactly their formula on how they get 3rd but if you factor everything in, I think I see the path. Short answer is, if you have a top 15 O'linemen at every position, the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.
But their individual grades don't add up either. Except for Whitworth they are all anywhere from woeful to just adequate at pass protection.
I have always had issues with PFF OL rankings at least when it comes to the Rams. Last year I argued that 31st didn't make sense either. Usually I say I take a PFF grade as ballpark, but I can't take either 3rd or 31st as ballpark.
And it's not just that they were inconsistent. The way to attack the Rams if you could was to dominate the OL with your DL. The Jets did it, SF did it twice, Green Bay did it.
Yeah, they had a distinctive weakness of being overwhelmed in the interior by some DLs. And that weakness aligned with Goff's weakness of struggling most with interior pressure.
But even acknowledging this, you have four games out of 18 where that happened. And I don't count the Jets game as dominating the entire OL because both OTs did pretty well.
If you take PFF and FO together as a ballpark you still are talking about a top 10ish OL. It sounds like we agree that it certainly wasn't a poor one.
First the idea that 2 stats sites make a claim is to me just empty. We know damm well that's not a top 10 OL--saying so is an insult to our eyes. Think of for example having two games in a row where the goal line offense got stopped. That happens to top 10 OLs?
And besides, Outsiders is no longer allowing access to their OL stats so I have no idea how they rank them in pass pro. In years past though they would try to do that simply by counting sacks, which is not a real guideline.
I think it's more the case that for whatever reason you need to/want to believe this OL is top 10 than it is the case that you can make a valid argument supporting seeing them that way. No good OL watcher--and PFF has never been that---would claim that. It's just not top 10. You can tell by watching.
You brought Goff up--and he was productive and without turnovers against that kind of D a couple of times in spite of the OL. Like against the Jets in the 2nd half and against Green Bay. So I wouldn't call it "a weakness" just to keep a mantra going ("it's goff it's goff" ).
And in the games where opposing defenses could play them that way and they lost, it was never just the qb or the OL...it was always something else too. Defense did not come to play in the Jets game. Defense got owned in the Packers game. Defense could not hang on and prevent two late scores in the 2nd SF game. Etc.
If you were wanting to constantly dump on Carson Wentz it would be easier to make a case. With Goff there are too many exceptions, good games, and so on...you can't talk about him the way we would talk about Wentz. But, some people try anyway.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2021 04:35PM by zn.
