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People just account differently. There are different opinions on exactly how much responsibility is on the HC, QB, and OL. An example of that would be me saying that I feel that Goff is 50% of the problem and McVay and the OL are 25% each.
It's all opinion. The issue I'm seeing here is when others assume I'm putting it all on the QB when it's really we disagree on the amount of responsibility that should be assigned to him.
Exactly. We all disagree on the proportions. I think making it 50% the qb is just plain bad football analysis.
But then when I disagree about the proportions, you go around saying that I don't see others "blame" (wrong word but whatever) other aspects of the offense. That's actually you doing exactly what you are complaining about.
I don't think other arguments, like yours, get at what is really happening, and yes that's because I put the proportions differently.
Now do me a favor and have a real, honest discussion instead of the personalizing thing that happens sometimes. Answer me this. What did the 4 bad games by Goff have in common. Besides Goff struggling. What else happened in every single one of those games. It's things that if they DIDN'T happen the outcome could have been very different.
Really. Discuss it. Real football discussion, 2 people who may see it differently but care about the truth and good discussion. Approach it that way. What else went on in those 4 games, how are they similar.
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Honestly zn, I didn't know that you disagree on proportion. I only see you defending Goff at every turn. So from reading you, I get the impression that you basically feel he's blameless in the offensive woes.
I get the impression that you place most of the blame on the OL and McVay. Last week I mentioned that as it appears to me, you may be putting about 5% on Goff if that much.
OTOH, there are many posts where I talk about the issues with McVay and the OL. McVay's failure is all I talked about after the MIA game.
As for having "honest discussion," (aside from the fact that the very phrase is a pejorative) I always approach it that way. Most people who read me on this board know that.
On this one though, I don't have the energy. We're too far apart and most times we have trouble not talking past each other.
For instance, I have issue with your basic framework that there are 4 bad games. I told you last week, IMO, in roughly half of the games this year I feel he didn't play well and/or the offense did badly. I don't believe I got a response.
If we were going to have an honest discussion, you would need to respond to that without doubling down on your framework.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2021 11:34AM by dzrams.
