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October 06, 2018 07:30AM
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Fred Miller, John St. Clair, Kyle Turley, Grant Williams, Alex Barron, Adam Goldberg...reminds me of the famous Mark Twain quote: It's easy to quit smoking...I've done it a hundred times.

RT's are NOT relatively easy to find.

Leaving aside the fact that Fred Miller was a good ROT, both in St.L and in Tenn.

All the others are bad, and the primary thing revealed there is that they came in in regimes famous for lots and lots of bad personnel decisions.

That reflects on Martz and Zygmunt, not on ROTs.

In fact I take that as a stunning indictment. How bad were the Martz/Zygmunt years at personnel? They were SO bad they couldn't even find a solid ROT. THAT is how bad they were.

Truth is right now the Rams ALREADY HAVE a solid if not more than solid ROT candidate, unless he turns out to actually be a LEFT OT replacement, which is even better (Noteboom). And that was after just one year of trying.

Plus Kromer has never fielded an OL with a poor ROT, going back years, and often the guy he played at that spot did nothing before him and never did as well after him.

It's honestly not an issue. Look around the league. Solid ROTs are just not hard to find.

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I recall Miller being a liability within Martz's offense but I could be misremembering. Seems like I was pretty glad that they replaced him though. Maybe he was mare adept at run blocking than pass blocking? Seems like he was the weak link that defenses attacked against the '99 team.

So, how many good RT's are out there? The picture you're painting suggests that there should be quite a few.

It's always easier to find ROTs than most positions including other OL positions and that isn't related to how many good ones there are...it's how many solid ones there are, because as a rule (with a couple of exceptions) that's what you put at ROT.

This is reflected by the fact that in terms of 2nd contracts, ROT gets less than virtually every other non-special teams position. 2nd contracts for ROTs this year were around 8 M. That's less than almost every other OL position. There are only 4 in the league who get more than 7 M and one (Lane Johnson) is a LEFT OT who is just playing on the right until Jason Peters retires. 19 LOTs get more than 7 M. The top 5 LOGs average more than the top 5 ROTs, though after the top 5 it looks more like ROT money. 10 OCs get more than 7 M. 12 ROGs get more than 7 M.

Miller was good. He was never a liability. His best years were 99 through 2004.
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zn307October 05, 2018 05:29AM

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Steve242October 05, 2018 05:51AM

  I think Hav's new contract says that the Rams wouldn't agree with you

RockRam258October 05, 2018 06:18AM

  Re: I think Hav's new contract says that the Rams wouldn't agree with you

Rams43204October 05, 2018 06:35AM

  and then the question is are the Rams right about that and if so why

zn214October 05, 2018 08:33AM

  Yes they are right.

RockRam318October 05, 2018 10:33AM

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zn143October 06, 2018 07:30AM

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moklerman139October 06, 2018 11:47AM

  Re: Please define "Scheme" "System".....Because to me it means "playing football."

oldschoolramfan172October 05, 2018 06:53AM

  but it doesnt' mean that

zn180October 05, 2018 08:35AM

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zn169October 05, 2018 03:38PM

  Hav is 26 years old

max178October 05, 2018 03:44PM

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moklerman144October 06, 2018 11:55AM

  Gonna keep this simple...

Rams43142October 06, 2018 07:31AM

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zn167October 06, 2018 09:13AM

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max159October 06, 2018 10:32AM

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max142October 05, 2018 11:05AM

  Nonsense. "System" OT. (nm)

BigGame81134October 05, 2018 09:16AM

  no one said that

zn159October 05, 2018 09:56AM

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BigGame81160October 05, 2018 10:51AM

  a different way to approach it

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zn151October 05, 2018 03:53PM

  didnt work out too well for seattle

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zn158October 06, 2018 07:34AM

  Havenstein has been worth EVERY PENNY the Rams gave him

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  Re: Havenstein has been worth EVERY PENNY the Rams gave him

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