Re: It just doesnt add up to me

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But then you have the all those mediocre years.


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I am not trying to persuade anyone on an old dead issue, but, I do want to stand up for the fact that there are other views of all this.

I don;t know how good Fisher would be if he ever got the right circumstances. But, in assessing him, people quite often ignore the circumstances.

They do things like average career years together, and, usually, that's a mistake.

If you follow the Titans to the Rams, goes like this.

First years, they're in a move. An extended move.

Then they settle in with consecutive winning seasons.

Then the cap and injuries and free agency tears the team down. They have to rebuild.

They emerge from that a winning team for a couple of years. So it's peaks and valleys.

Along the way a qb is forced on the coaches by ownership. They try to make the most of it but it turns out the qb's too immature and melts down.

Then he comes to St. Louis which at least has a qb. They can't quite get off the ground for a couple of years because of an unusual number of injuries on the OL. Want to know how much luck plays into that? Saffold finished only 1 season healthy with Fisher. This year so far he got dinged in one game but is expected back.

Anyway then the qb gets injured twice in the same knee. And I am leaving other things out. I think those teams working with crippled OLs and #2 caliber qbs did the best that could be expected. 7-9 is something of an achievement under those circumstances. I can't think of examples of coaches who DID do well under those conditions. Apparently no one else can either.

Then they move. No team for decades has ever had a winning season after moving across state lines. Local reporters acknowledge the move was a huge factor in 2016, but, as a rule, fans don't factor it in. Even Farr talked about the effects it had, and he should know he went through a move.

What does all that add up to? I have no idea. I see it this way though---he could not transcend bad circumstances but then I think it's a rare coach who could transcend those circumstances.

I think Fisher could have been in the Coughlin/John Harbaugh/Tony Dungy level of 2nd tier coaches who can win a superbowl if the situation adds up right. But obviously we don't know.

That's not the Vermeil class of coach (and I think McVay is in that class). It's not Walsh or Johnson in Dallas. But it's also not the running joke a lot of fans want to make it out to be.

In terms of my investment in this, no one is a Jeff Fisher diehard. I don't even care about Fisher as much as I care about keeping full and complete historical perspectives. I would have about the same level of emotional energy discussing Robinson, Brooks, Knox II, Linehan, Martz, or Spags. To me it's just history.

If people want to see it differently, it's fine. I don't have any stakes in converting anyone. I only want there to be space for different views without it leading to pile-ons and admonishments. There's room for different views on things like this.

Now back to the McVay years.





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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2017 03:38AM by zn.